Maverick223
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My HK USP .45 has the same problem...I have tried to get it to jam at no avail. Worthless hunk of plastic won't even jam.
I notice now most of us older guys (50+)
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NotSoFast
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I'm 62 and have one Glock. I used to have a Ruger Blackhawk back in the '70s but had that stolen from my home. I'm saving right now for a S&W Model 27.
A .40 S&W is only 45 foot pounds less energy at the muzzle compared to the .357 magnum. Just sayin'.
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A .40 S&W is only 45 foot pounds less energy at the muzzle compared to the .357 magnum. Just sayin'.
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ReadyRob
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The best gun is the one you have
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Hey Steve!
You are over 50 years old, you need to reply to this thread.
With some of the friends I have around here, I do not need any enemies. *sticks-tongue-out*
Yeah, I am over 50, in fact I recently added another year, and this time I remembered my Stork Delivery Date.
Granted others reminded me of this date, still I remembered...
Over "fitty" and still wearing jeans, and decided to go back to wearing my hair in a ponytail again.
I have stayed with how raised and mentored:
-Gun fit to shooter.
-Tools for task, and environment.
Never was much for giving a rip about what everyone else was doing, still don't, and me being me, will be more curmudgeon about it as time goes on.
One is supposed to learn to shoot with a .22 revolver, then transition to center-fire revolver.
i.e Model 18, to Model 10.
Lesson learned will make one a better shooter, not matter what platform they choose to use.
Then one learns semi-auto with a .22 rim-fire, and again goes to a centerfire.
i.e. High Standard Dura-matic, and BHP
Then one tries a variety of guns, and I do mean actually shooting the damn things, before buying one.
One tries various holsters, and I do mean actually sticking the damn gun that fits them in it, and not only drawing and firing from it, they also go about ADLs ( activites of daily living) to see if it works for them.
If not, tweak it, or try another.
Marketing ain't gonna be at your gun fight.
Nor will other Fan Boyz.
Me?
There is a place in the tool box for both Semi and Revolver. There always has been, and always will be.
Granted my elephants are not as numerous, or serious as others, still mine were mine, real to me, and I own them.
Re: Guns.
Now why in the hell would anyone want a old antiquated gun?
My advice is for folks to give away, or get rid of for less monies these old Semi Autos like bone stock Gov't Model of 1911, BHPs, S&W 3914/3913,...and these old revolvers like Colt Detective Specials, Ruger Six Series, Smith & Wesson J, K, L, and N frames...
The only constant is change. I mean come on people, this is 2009!
We got indoor plumbing, and we got plastic guns that hold lots of rounds.
Give away, unload, trade in for cheap all them old Semi's and Revolvers and get with Progress people!
Old Fuff, Jim Watson, Jim Keenan, Lee Lapin and his wife, myself, and a few others around here will take them old antiquated guns.
That is my take...
Excuse me, I need to visit with a wife and daughter of a "friend" of mine.
I think husband/daddy needs to buy these gals some expensive 28 ga shotguns.
*at'l-teach-'em*
You are over 50 years old, you need to reply to this thread.
With some of the friends I have around here, I do not need any enemies. *sticks-tongue-out*
Yeah, I am over 50, in fact I recently added another year, and this time I remembered my Stork Delivery Date.
Granted others reminded me of this date, still I remembered...
Over "fitty" and still wearing jeans, and decided to go back to wearing my hair in a ponytail again.
I have stayed with how raised and mentored:
-Gun fit to shooter.
-Tools for task, and environment.
Never was much for giving a rip about what everyone else was doing, still don't, and me being me, will be more curmudgeon about it as time goes on.
One is supposed to learn to shoot with a .22 revolver, then transition to center-fire revolver.
i.e Model 18, to Model 10.
Lesson learned will make one a better shooter, not matter what platform they choose to use.
Then one learns semi-auto with a .22 rim-fire, and again goes to a centerfire.
i.e. High Standard Dura-matic, and BHP
Then one tries a variety of guns, and I do mean actually shooting the damn things, before buying one.
One tries various holsters, and I do mean actually sticking the damn gun that fits them in it, and not only drawing and firing from it, they also go about ADLs ( activites of daily living) to see if it works for them.
If not, tweak it, or try another.
Marketing ain't gonna be at your gun fight.
Nor will other Fan Boyz.
Me?
There is a place in the tool box for both Semi and Revolver. There always has been, and always will be.
Granted my elephants are not as numerous, or serious as others, still mine were mine, real to me, and I own them.
Re: Guns.
Now why in the hell would anyone want a old antiquated gun?
My advice is for folks to give away, or get rid of for less monies these old Semi Autos like bone stock Gov't Model of 1911, BHPs, S&W 3914/3913,...and these old revolvers like Colt Detective Specials, Ruger Six Series, Smith & Wesson J, K, L, and N frames...
The only constant is change. I mean come on people, this is 2009!
We got indoor plumbing, and we got plastic guns that hold lots of rounds.
Give away, unload, trade in for cheap all them old Semi's and Revolvers and get with Progress people!
Old Fuff, Jim Watson, Jim Keenan, Lee Lapin and his wife, myself, and a few others around here will take them old antiquated guns.
That is my take...
Excuse me, I need to visit with a wife and daughter of a "friend" of mine.
I think husband/daddy needs to buy these gals some expensive 28 ga shotguns.
*at'l-teach-'em*
76shuvlinoff
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At 49 I must be on the brink of being one of the "older guys" .
My autos are a WWII P38, a newer Kimber 45 and a poly XD40sc
My only wheelie is a rock solid SA .357 Blackhawk
I love em all for variety is the spice ain't it? If there was a pos in the bunch it would be gone.
....Then there's the pumps and levers and various plinkers but that's another page.
.My autos are a WWII P38, a newer Kimber 45
and a poly XD40sc My only wheelie is a rock solid SA .357 Blackhawk
I love em all for variety is the spice ain't it? If there was a pos in the bunch it would be gone.
....Then there's the pumps and levers and various plinkers but that's another page.
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Stainz
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An old friend lamented the passing of time by informing me years ago that I, too, would succumb. One day, I would be like I was early in life... slobbering, toothless, bald, and unable to communicate intelligently. The advancing years do take their toll. I recognized it - I had never shot a .38 or .357M before 9/03 - now, it's either them or a .22 revolver. I started life with .45 ACP bottom-feeders... migrated to .454 Casull round gun - then took retrograde steps ending in a .22 revolver as my last buy. All revolvers.
Oddly, my first new car was a '70 Audi - with a MT. That was followed by a long line of Alfa Romeo's - all 5 sp MT - then my turbo-ed 5 sp little Chryslers. Now I drive an '05 Jeep Liberty with an AT - and plenty of room for my revolvers. My wife has the pocket rocket 5 sp MT now - an '05 Dodge SRT-4 - intercooled turbo-four banger... and the only bottom-feeders (Seecamp .32 & Walther P22). She didn't like the 3" 65 I got her - and the 642 was 'too big'. I guess my biggest concession to the advancing years was the AT in my Jeep - followed by my migration downward in handgun caliber. My .44s & .45s are getting lonely.
The more I think of it, revolvers weren't symptoms of my acceptance of the advancing of time. As others less than half my age have proven here, they are simply a choice - traditional, indicative of an appreciation of viewable engineering, or just the acceptance of their utility and inherent dependability and safety, they are a choice. And... I celebrated said choice by cleaning mine last night. Viva la difference!
Stainz
Oddly, my first new car was a '70 Audi - with a MT. That was followed by a long line of Alfa Romeo's - all 5 sp MT - then my turbo-ed 5 sp little Chryslers. Now I drive an '05 Jeep Liberty with an AT - and plenty of room for my revolvers. My wife has the pocket rocket 5 sp MT now - an '05 Dodge SRT-4 - intercooled turbo-four banger... and the only bottom-feeders (Seecamp .32 & Walther P22). She didn't like the 3" 65 I got her - and the 642 was 'too big'. I guess my biggest concession to the advancing years was the AT in my Jeep - followed by my migration downward in handgun caliber. My .44s & .45s are getting lonely.
The more I think of it, revolvers weren't symptoms of my acceptance of the advancing of time. As others less than half my age have proven here, they are simply a choice - traditional, indicative of an appreciation of viewable engineering, or just the acceptance of their utility and inherent dependability and safety, they are a choice. And... I celebrated said choice by cleaning mine last night. Viva la difference!
Stainz
Deanimator
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I don't prefer one over the other. I carry them interchangeably. Last night, I carried my S&W Model 36 because it was the only firearm that I could reasonably carry while on a walk wearing athletic shorts. If I go out in regular street clothes today, I'll be carrying my Norinco M1911.
woad_yurt
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I reload .38 SPL so most of my handgun range time is with a S&W Model 10 or Model 14.
Getting good with a Model 10 reminds me of learning to play guitar. At first, I had to concentrate, concentrate, concentrate. After a while, I could play without even thinking about it. A K-frame is a natural shooter.
I have a 9MM Star MOD 30MI (17+1 with Ramline's S&W 5900 mags) and have shot thousands through it. But, it's not as natural a shooter as are the K-frames. Don't get me wrong, I can shoot it well but, if I was in the dark, I'd want the Model 10. It points so well that I can get my target without using the sights. For some real crazy combat-like chaos, the Star would be my choice; it's a great military hi-cap pistol and I have 5-6 magazines for it. Next to my bed, however, rests the Model 10.
I also own a Makarov,* which, to me, is a much more natural shooter than most semis. If I had the money for some more equipment, I'd reload for it. I would like to practice a lot more with it but haven't due to ammo costs and, especially now with the ammo drought, ammo unavailability. I have a feeling that I could do just as well with the Mak as I do with the 10 if I had enough practice ammo to burn at the range. It has always left me wanting to shoot more. It's a crazy-accurate for a smallish gun and it's 100% reliable.
* A Makarov, not a PA-63, P64, etc.
Getting good with a Model 10 reminds me of learning to play guitar. At first, I had to concentrate, concentrate, concentrate. After a while, I could play without even thinking about it. A K-frame is a natural shooter.
I have a 9MM Star MOD 30MI (17+1 with Ramline's S&W 5900 mags) and have shot thousands through it. But, it's not as natural a shooter as are the K-frames. Don't get me wrong, I can shoot it well but, if I was in the dark, I'd want the Model 10. It points so well that I can get my target without using the sights. For some real crazy combat-like chaos, the Star would be my choice; it's a great military hi-cap pistol and I have 5-6 magazines for it. Next to my bed, however, rests the Model 10.
I also own a Makarov,* which, to me, is a much more natural shooter than most semis. If I had the money for some more equipment, I'd reload for it. I would like to practice a lot more with it but haven't due to ammo costs and, especially now with the ammo drought, ammo unavailability. I have a feeling that I could do just as well with the Mak as I do with the 10 if I had enough practice ammo to burn at the range. It has always left me wanting to shoot more. It's a crazy-accurate for a smallish gun and it's 100% reliable.
* A Makarov, not a PA-63, P64, etc.
moooose102
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actually, i prefer semi-auto's, except for hunting. i know they make hi-power semi auto's, but they are expensive and huge. a good wheelgun is a better firearm for hunting.
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I look at it the other way and would ask him why anyone would pay $500+ for a pistol made from plastic and stamped steel.
For range use I prefer the revolvers as they have been far more accurate for me. The exception being a tuned Springfield 1911 by Clark Custom Guns.
I still like a Sig semi-auto as my defensive handgun. There is room for both types - though I'll always own far more revolvers - I'm 46.
Man, this just illustrates how old I really am. I recall when everyone (including cops) carried a revolver and the resistance to the semi-autos when they started to appear in numbers. They were called unreliable, underpowered, and all manner of insulting things. But the advantages of packing a higher payload and faster reloading eventually made the auto pistol king for SD carry.
Now the pendulum seems to swing back... if only a bit... as more and more younger (20s & 30s) shooters seem to be rediscovering the wheelgun. I have seen numerous posts on various firearms forums from younger guys who are genuinely shocked at how good a revolver feels in the hand and how well they can shoot one when they finally try one. Several have even admitted that they can now see what the older guys are thinking when they prefer a revolver to a more high tech auto pistol.
I like all well made handguns. I love my 1911s, my Lugers, and my Ruger 22 autos (I confess a lack of love for the Glock, Sig and other "new" style semi-autos as I am definitely conservative in my gun tastes and prefer the classics), and my daily carry piece is a Model 659 S&W because it's so infinitely practical as a defensive sidearm. But I have about 6 revolvers for every auto pistol because I just appreciate the artistry and elegance of a fine revolver. I keep 3 handguns readily available at home and two are 38 Special revolvers. Simple, reliable, and I do not feel handicapped in any way with them.
Revolver or auto? I say you can have your cake and eat it ,too.
Nothing wrong with this...
Or this...
Now the pendulum seems to swing back... if only a bit... as more and more younger (20s & 30s) shooters seem to be rediscovering the wheelgun. I have seen numerous posts on various firearms forums from younger guys who are genuinely shocked at how good a revolver feels in the hand and how well they can shoot one when they finally try one. Several have even admitted that they can now see what the older guys are thinking when they prefer a revolver to a more high tech auto pistol.
I like all well made handguns. I love my 1911s, my Lugers, and my Ruger 22 autos (I confess a lack of love for the Glock, Sig and other "new" style semi-autos as I am definitely conservative in my gun tastes and prefer the classics), and my daily carry piece is a Model 659 S&W because it's so infinitely practical as a defensive sidearm. But I have about 6 revolvers for every auto pistol because I just appreciate the artistry and elegance of a fine revolver. I keep 3 handguns readily available at home and two are 38 Special revolvers. Simple, reliable, and I do not feel handicapped in any way with them.
Revolver or auto? I say you can have your cake and eat it ,too.
Nothing wrong with this...
Or this...
JWF III
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I'm 33 yo, and you can lump me in with all you "old guys" shooting revolvers. I have my Glock, it gets shot MAYBE once a year. I have my Hi-Powers, now I gotta admit that I do love shooting those guns. I have my Rem. Rand 1911A1, and I enjoy that pistol as well. But I much prefer to shoot my K38 Masterpiece, my Model 28-2, my (dad's-God rest his soul) old three screw Blackhawk, and the Single-Sixes.
I just wish I had my dad's old Colts, 1-2nd gen. SAA, and 1 Bisley 2nd gen., unfortunately they got sold many years ago, during the last big economic slowdown, to make the mortgage payment. Can't blame him too much for that.
Wyman
I just wish I had my dad's old Colts, 1-2nd gen. SAA, and 1 Bisley 2nd gen., unfortunately they got sold many years ago, during the last big economic slowdown, to make the mortgage payment. Can't blame him too much for that.
Wyman
gmh1013
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Thats is one sweet model 28 and if I remember correctly it was 1954 was the first year.
You know that your addicted to revolver is when you see an Colt Python or old Smith Combat Magnum
and i start trying to figure out how im going to explain buying another revolver to my wife.
You know that your addicted to revolver is when you see an Colt Python or old Smith Combat Magnum
and i start trying to figure out how im going to explain buying another revolver to my wife.
jfh
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I'm 64--and over the last two years I've transitioned from SA pd guns to revolvers. My bedside gun used to be a S&W4043 (?)--e.g., a DAO--to a 686 or 386 NG for that use, and from a SA P9 (.40) compact for carry to a S&W340.
I still love to shoot 1911s--my favorite semiauto. But, I found that I wanted less to 'think' about for personal defense. The S&W semiautos were yet a third manual of arms, and I didn't want to be bothered with that anymore.
There's no question that, as I have aged--particularly starting in my late fifties--I have had to "think more" about many things that used to be totally ingrained. (I was the 5th grade spelling champion; now I use a spell check if I'm diligent--that sort of thing.)
One aside here is that I am probably noticably more fatalistic. In my case, that characteristic may be because of the health issues I have (two cancers, etc.), but that same 'fatalism' also leads me to be believe that if-I-ain't-gonna-get-the-job-done-in-five-it-ain't-gonna-matter.'
As for the hobbyist issues--I now 'feel' a stronger kinship to revolvers--but there is still nothing like a 1911 (or a CZ-75-type) for good ergonomics for semiautos--period.
Jim H.
I still love to shoot 1911s--my favorite semiauto. But, I found that I wanted less to 'think' about for personal defense. The S&W semiautos were yet a third manual of arms, and I didn't want to be bothered with that anymore.
There's no question that, as I have aged--particularly starting in my late fifties--I have had to "think more" about many things that used to be totally ingrained. (I was the 5th grade spelling champion; now I use a spell check if I'm diligent--that sort of thing.)
One aside here is that I am probably noticably more fatalistic. In my case, that characteristic may be because of the health issues I have (two cancers, etc.), but that same 'fatalism' also leads me to be believe that if-I-ain't-gonna-get-the-job-done-in-five-it-ain't-gonna-matter.'
As for the hobbyist issues--I now 'feel' a stronger kinship to revolvers--but there is still nothing like a 1911 (or a CZ-75-type) for good ergonomics for semiautos--period.
Jim H.
GeezerwithGuns
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My screen name says it. I'm not 99, but at 61, no spring chicken. I'm in both camps, with a bias toward revolvers (Colts).
The only thing I haven't gravitated to is polymer guns.
I've got to have blued steel and real walnut grips whenever possible.
1959 Colt .357
1961 Officer's Model Match .38
Carry Gun: 1990's Browning Hi Power 9mm
The only thing I haven't gravitated to is polymer guns.
I've got to have blued steel and real walnut grips whenever possible.
1959 Colt .357
1961 Officer's Model Match .38
Carry Gun: 1990's Browning Hi Power 9mm
The_Shootist
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Well...
...truth be told I'd be more likely to carry my 686+ over my 1911. I'd rather have 7 for sure of .357 that I have rock-solid confidence in to go BOOM! at the moment of truth.
Don't get me wrong - my 1911 is as well tuned and reliable as any mainstream piece. Its just that in terms of reliability and confidence its ranked at the bottom in my min after my 686/Sp101/642 then my G19 THEN my 1911.
When I have to bug out during a hurricane I carry 2 handguns usually - one is my G19, the other is my SP 101 or 642.
...truth be told I'd be more likely to carry my 686+ over my 1911. I'd rather have 7 for sure of .357 that I have rock-solid confidence in to go BOOM! at the moment of truth.
Don't get me wrong - my 1911 is as well tuned and reliable as any mainstream piece. Its just that in terms of reliability and confidence its ranked at the bottom in my min after my 686/Sp101/642 then my G19 THEN my 1911.
When I have to bug out during a hurricane I carry 2 handguns usually - one is my G19, the other is my SP 101 or 642.
BK
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Each time a revolver fan has a malfunction with an auto, it proves his beliefs and cements his conviction.
Every time an auto fan loses his patients with the wheel gun and it's limits, the same occurs.
Every time an auto fan loses his patients with the wheel gun and it's limits, the same occurs.
AZ Desertrat
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I have a bunch of each and I am 57. Learned to shoot on revolvers of course, cuz the old man was a die hard S&W fan....revolvers and autos both have their place. I enjoy the heck out of my Glocks, my FN's my Walthers etc......but I still always practice at the range and in the boonies more with my revolvers. I never go out to the desert without a .357 S&W on my hip....even if I am going out to shoot clay targets with friends. Or if not that....I have a snubby in the front pocket.
fastbolt
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Hey, I'm of an age to remember that, too.
I own a fair number of revolvers (single action, traditional double action and double action only) and semiauto pistols. Let's just say more then enough so that I could carry a different one every day and not carry the same one twice in more than a month.
I also entered LE work when revolvers were still issued service weapons and I carried one or another of them for several years. Even though I carried a Colt Commander as an off-duty weapon, it was only with grudging reluctance (and the desire to remain employed) that I turned in my .357 Magnum revolver and looked askance at the paperweight-light high capacity wonder nine they handed me (yes, we did indeed call them 'high capacity' back then before the magazine capacity/feeding device laws simply because they held more than a 6-shot wheelgun).
I like a good revolver. A lot. I've always felt that it was far easier to transition a skilled revolver shooter into a skilled pistol shooter than the other way around.
Shooting a double action revolver safely and accurately requires a good sound foundation in handgun skills. Having a double action trigger and only 6 rounds encouraged aimed fire.
A nicely made revolver makes a pistol seem like ... well, just a pistol.
I'm 38 and I like both a lot. Getting into reloading definitely makes me appreciate the revolvers even more though.
Here's my current fleet. Sorry they're dirty but they all went to the range today and got a pretty good workout. The Single Six actually belongs to my wife. I suspect the next member of the family will be a nice 44.
-Chris
Here's my current fleet. Sorry they're dirty but they all went to the range today and got a pretty good workout. The Single Six actually belongs to my wife. I suspect the next member of the family will be a nice 44.
-Chris
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sm
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Hang on just a dad burn minute!
Has anyone else noticed how many young folks are showing revolvers, and nice ones at that?
<bangs gavel>
I hereby call this Curmudgeon Meetin' to Order.
If you were not at least in the 1st Grade when JFK was shot in Dallas, you cannot have a nice , old, classic revolver.
Do I hear a Second?
Puh-leez
*grin*
Has anyone else noticed how many young folks are showing revolvers, and nice ones at that?
<bangs gavel>
I hereby call this Curmudgeon Meetin' to Order.
If you were not at least in the 1st Grade when JFK was shot in Dallas, you cannot have a nice , old, classic revolver.
Do I hear a Second?
Puh-leez
*grin*
Ed Ames
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Who? That "Dallas" TV show was before my time.
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