I think he needs more practice

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Good grief!

He's obviously never fired a real gun in his life. He's probably shot blanks or cap guns when he was a child, but that gun safety was horrendously dreadful. He pointed it at the cameraman at least three times. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't clean them and has to buy a new one every year because the old one is rusted and the cylinder won't move. And Remingtons never took Minnie balls either, that's rifle ammo. It's like saying a Colt 1911 shoots .30-06 Springfield.

Boy oh boy, he sure has a lot to learn about cap and ball guns and gun safety. :banghead:

Does he store his powder cans on top of the potbelly stove as well?

This video has my shorts in a bunch. I don't like it when people are being a threat to other people like that, I don't care what kind of gun it is or if it's unloaded. That's not safe.
 
I was in a LGS recently and one of the employees was actually POINTING RIFLES AT OTHER EMPLOYEES AND A CUSTOMER WHOSE BACK WAS TURNED! I told him and his boss that I'd never set foot in there again.

What a dumbass.
 
I loved the part where he spent a couple minutes trying to pull out the cylinder pin without dropping th loading lever. Then couldn't get the loading lever to latch because the cylinder pin wasn't all the way "home". I'm not entirely sure if he figured out the cause-and-effect relationship between those two pieces of the pistol. If he actually shoots Remingtons (even just a card wad over powder blank); he's gotta live for the slaes at Cabela's; because he must break them regularly.

When duelist1954 started opening his videos with a "bad guy's view" of whatever he's shooting, I almost developed a "flinch" problem until I got used to seeing it. This guy waving around that Remmie was an accident waiting to happen. Hopefully one of his buddies -a knowledgeable friend- can take him aside and teach him how NOT to shoot a bystander.
 
Unfortunately "some" re-enactors aren't really into the finer points of gun handling or for that matter the actual history of the guns that they use. Remember I'm saying "some" re-enactors here.
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Their guns are mistakenly always considered safe and unloaded instead of the other way around. In this video I'm more appalled at the subjects lack of knowledge on even how to get the cylinder out of his 1858 Colt/Remington New Army. I'm assuming that the Union forces probably lost the battle that he was fighting in.
 
The guy was obviously practicing for a comedy skit; I am shocked -- SHOCKED I SAY!!!!! -- at how nastily you guys are treating him!!!!



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Sheeeesh. I recall receiving my first 1858 Remington. It took my like ten seconds to figure out how to dismount the cylinder -- if that.
Can't you examine the gun visually and atleast get some basic idea of how it works??????:rolleyes:
 
Hopefully he has become more familar with the workings of the 58. I watched the video a few times and couldn't see anything unsafe with the handling of an unloaded revolver.
 
fogg64: rule number one: The gun is ALWAYS loaded or, if you prefer, ALWAYS treat the gun as if it were loaded. He swept the camera guy and anyone/everyone behind the camera guy several times.

Foto Joe, unfortunately that has been my experience as well. Some guys treat the gun as if it were unloaded unless it is loaded. At least, in my experience anyway, the same guys have much better muzzle control when the gun is loaded. I guess years of blasting away at the air space right above another guy's head can dull your sensitivity to improper gun handling. In my opinion, it would be a good thing if every reenactor had comprehensive gun safety training and had a at least a few live-fire sessions with a good mentor before they begin reenacting.

I thought the most amusing part was how he couldn't figure out how the loading lever and cylinder pin worked together. The first time I watched the video, I didn't have the sound on and I thought he was just trying to demonstrate how the loading lever held the cylinder pin in. I couldn't believe he was actually trying to just pull out.

~D
 
People like this give the rest of us knowledgeable reenactors a bad name. These are the ones that so infuriate me in the hobby plus the fact that just because they wear a uniform the uniformed public puts stock in their bs.

You can't believe how misinformed, uninformed, and just plain ignorant a huge segment of the population is when it comes to history, firearms, or the combination of history and firearms.

I could sit here all day and relate the ridiculous and absurd questions people have posed to me at living histories and reeanctments.

I make it my duty, as a reenactor and amateur historian, to be informed and impart real information to people who ask and are interested. I also make it my duty to correct misinformation by other reenactors when I hear it.
 
I remember going to a Civil War reenactment last July, those guys treated their guns like crap. I was over in the Union camp, they just shoved rifles into the dirt with the bayonet. In the confederate camp there was a guy who ended up pointing three brass Remingtons at me LOADED with blanks and I was five feet away. I said in a firm voice "watch where you are pointing those guns!" and he got his panties in a bunch. He probably assumed I was an anti.

He was holding a handful of Remmys and sideswiped my mother, me and several other bystanders. I seriously don't care if they were loaded with blanks. I don't care if they and unloaded. If the barrel and cylinder filled with lead, and the nipples were removed I still wouldn't want to be side swept. They need to learn some gun safety, these are real firearms.

Oh, and one of the guys at the Union camp let a few people as well as me handle a Remington carbine. To my disgust I found caps on the nipples and bore butter in the chambers. I don't care if it's loaded with blanks, you just don't give anyone a loaded gun without proper training, regardless of if it's loaded with blanks or not. You don't do that. Period.

My room looks like an armory, it's required by me that if a friend who wants to handle a firearm from my display/collection tells me the rules of gun safety before entering the room so I know I won't be dealing with having a shotgun pointed at me.

Poor gun safety makes my skin crawl. A gun is harmless to good people in a well trained person's hands with good intentions. If 30 grains of Pyrodex and a wad goes off in your face you probably aren't going to be able to see anything for a while, if ever again.

~Levi
 
junkman, I would respond to that but I don't know if your just baiting or if you seriously think we're all presenting a holier than thou attitude. That little devil emoticon makes me lean towards the first option...

~D
 
I'm simply speaking from a fellow reenactor perspective. If one is going to go out, dress the part, and then step into the role of educator one best know what one is talking about.

There is enough misinformation and bad information out there without those who are purporting to be relative "experts" perpetuating the misinformation ad nauseum.

It seriously drives me crazy. :banghead: :cuss:

Ok, rant over. :D

Maybe I am holier than thou but I usually do know what I'm talking about when it pertains to BP weapons and Civil War history. It's kinda one of the main motivations to reenacting. :cool:
 
Mr. D said:
junkman, I would respond to that but I don't know if your just baiting or if you seriously think we're all presenting a holier than thou attitude. That little devil emoticon makes me lean towards the first option...

~D
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Then you'd be wrong.
 
Well, in that case, here is my response:

There are absolute standards here (the truth, and what is and isn't safe gun handling) that anyone, especially those involved in a hobby that has education at its very core and necessarily involves firearms, should be held to. To hold this guy to these standards is just that, nothing more, nothing less. The way I see it, I can do that with a humble attitude, or I can do it while looking down my nose at the guy, but just the fact that I am holding him to an absolute standard doesn't necessarily mean I have a holier than thou attitude.

~D
 
Phantom Captain said:
I'm simply speaking from a fellow reenactor perspective. If one is going to go out, dress the part, and then step into the role of educator one best know what one is talking about.

There is enough misinformation and bad information out there without those who are purporting to be relative "experts" perpetuating the misinformation ad nauseum.

It seriously drives me crazy. :banghead: :cuss:

Ok, rant over. :D

Maybe I am holier than thou but I usually do know what I'm talking about when it pertains to BP weapons and Civil War history. It's kinda one of the main motivations to reenacting. :cool:
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Phantom,

I agree with you on the history part.
 
Mr. D: I am sure he checked the weapon to see that it was not loaded before he started his attempt to remove the cylinder. Now he working with a hunk of steel. If you are concerned about him pointing the weapon at the cameraman, what about the people to his sides? He is working with an unloaded weapon trying to demostrate how to remove the cylinder. He may be a little nervous in front of the camera.
 
ROFL at the "my son just cleaned it and jammed the thing"

he may have been nervous fogg but if he cant drop the cyl perhaps he is also not qualified to know if its loaded
 
damoc: Dropping the cylinder doesn't have anything to with checking to see if the gun is loaded. I have had trouble with the cylinder and I wasn't being recorded. Of course there are those that have years of experience and can do it with there eyes closed.
 
fogg64 said:
damoc: Dropping the cylinder doesn't have anything to with checking to see if the gun is loaded. I have had trouble with the cylinder and I wasn't being recorded. Of course there are those that have years of experience and can do it with there eyes closed.
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everybody has trouble dropping out the cyl from time to time no shame in that
but when he tried pulling out the cyl pin repeatedly without dropping the loading lever
what he was demonstrating was a total lack of familurlarity with this firearm and as
such i would not be surprised if he also lacked the knowledge to safety it or even be sure it wasnt loaded.

maybee he was nervous and that caused him to make this mistake but i dont see
how this is a comfort to anyone around him that day.

HEHE and then he blamed his son
 
What a dork "1858 Colt Remington" Pull the loading lever down pull the hammer back half cock then pull the Arbor pin dork. and stop pointing the revolver at people.

or better yet send it do me
:banghead::banghead:

and its not a colt remington
 
I'll have agree with Diamondwhip when he started this thread: he needs more practice.
I'll have to disagree with all the fuss about safety considering circumstance where this is taking place.
 
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