"I think there will never be gun control in America"

[Joey_the_Wolf]

Rosie O'Donnel's words.... Glimmer of hope perhaps? Maybe this means we're winning, even though the media would have us think otherwise, maybe there is some hope for us gunnies.

I was watching the View (on right now). I never do. Honestly, that show makes me gag for the most part, but I KNEW that Rosie would have something to say about yesterday's tragedy, so I tuned in. Sure enough, less than 2 minutes into the show, guns are brought up. And just now she said (when asked about gun control, and after talking about the million mom march, etc), "I think there will never be gun control in America. I think that having tried to fight it for 5 years of my life was a futile attempt" (asked "Do you throw up your hands hun?") "I sort of do."

They're still talking about gun control. Now they're arguning (the blonde, I forget her name) about the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. The young blonde one (again, I apologize, I don't watch the show and I don't know her name) is arguing about how many women have been saved from being raped by guns, and how it's a constitutional right to bear arms, etc.
This is.... suprising to me actually, because I expected a more fierce anti-gun sentiment.

Thoughts?

 

[Nightcrawler]

There's the problem with our system.

It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter what Rosie thinks. It doesn't matter what I think, which I find appalling, because I'm awesome and people should listen to me. For seriously.

All that matters is what a few hundred legislators think, and they can literally change the nation to suit their whim. The checks and balances intended to keep this in check have, in my opinion, long been shrugged off, and now the government just does whatever the hell it wants.

The question is, can we convince them not to do it? PErsonally, I don't think talking about the Constitution sinks in with people, because most people (including congress) don't give a crap about it. I don't know about you guys, but I'm outraged at the circumstances that would allow ONE MAN with a PISTOL to slaughter thirty-two people. What's wrong with this picture?

At any rate, I heard the non-shrill-liberal lady from The View interviewed on Glenn Beck. Seems to have her head on straight, especially compared to her counterparts.

EDIT: Until this incident, despite the Democrats being in power, we were actually doing okay, RKBA-wise. Lord only knows where we'll be when the dust settles from this. Right now there are sleazy politicians rubbing their filthy hands together with glee about how they can capitalize on this, disappointed only in that the shooter used a handgun instead of an AK.

Write your legislators. Start demanding armed security at your kids schools. Allowing CCW is one thing; Utah does it, but it's not politically feasible in other places, not right now (keep hammering away at it). But failing that, having some kind of armed presence, be they cops or guards or whoever, would go a LONG WAY towards discouraging copycat incidents. We can't leave our schools defenseless and the people unprotected, with our only plan to be to hope nothing bad happens.

 

[Joey_the_Wolf]

I know, that's why we still need to be on guard, because legislators do have alot of power, but there is something very comforting about hearing Rosie O'Donnel say "I don't think that the fight for gun control is hard. I'm saying it's impossible. It's futile. There will never be gun control". She repeated that several times.

Now if only Diane Feinstein, Sarah brady, and Legislators, Mayors, etc realized this, we would be pretty much in the clear.

 

[cbsbyte]

We will have gun control, if not on the Federal level then on the state level. I fear that some state legislators will use this event to push through more gun bans and more restricitive gun laws in state with already restrictive gunlaws. This incident will lead to more gun control, even if it is only in a handful of states.

 

[Beatnik]

There's the problem with our system.

Now, that's interesting. I would say it doesn't matter what she thinks and what I think - all that matters is that it says, in black-and-off-white, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Gun control must be a failed idea. It has to be fought at every turn. The simple reason is that if we ignore of any one part of the constitution, then other parts follow.

I'm not even thinking in "the 2nd amendment guarantees that we have control" argument. I'm thinking logically. You can't dump on one amendment and take the others seriously. As soon as the one goes, then "it's a different world than the one the founders lived in" becomes a valid argument for getting rid of the others. The whole system collapses.

Now, I know that the 9th and 10th in particular are getting ignored handily without the 2nd going away first. I think that just bolsters my point: Ignore one part, and all the others become meaningless.

If they had a decent case they would have called for striking the 2nd amendment according to the amendment process. They haven't, which means they don't, which means that the way it was designed actually works. We need to stick with that.

 

[Dan from MI]

I really hope there is no gun control, but God knows what will happen. All gun grabs were after high profile shootings.

In Columbine, we were stuck with a gun grabbing president, but a pro-2a house majority (narrow) and anti-2a senate.

Today we have gun grabbing leaders in the house (overall unknown), an anti-2a senate led by squish Reid, and a squish president who will do God knows what.

We need to put the pressure on them ASAP, and sustain it. We also need to watch our state legislature.

 

[Blakenzy]

Ah, fooey....they're just playing "underdog". They know the american public loves to rally behind the underdog.

 

[helpless]

I just watched this myself, Maybe Rosie is a reasonable person after all? Maybe she has heard every argument so many times over and over. I'll bet she has a gun in her house.

 

[Kimber1911_06238]

I wish that was true. If the current laws were enforced we'd have far fewer problems. Making new laws that only punish us law abiding citizens won't stop criminals....sooner or later hopefully politicians learn this

 

[ReefBlueCoupe]

I just watched this myself, Maybe Rosie is a reasonable person after all? Maybe she has heard every argument so many times over and over. I'll bet she has a gun in her house.

HA!

 

[Lupinus]

yeah I just saw that as well. She doesn't care though and as is typical she wont look at her own position for the fault of why it will never work. She prefers to believe she is supreme and right, and that it is the scary armed NRA which is the cause of it all.

The one lady though, the blond sitting across from Rosie (just happened to be on and never watch the view so don't know her name) seems to have some common sense though. She started to make some good points, shame she kept getting cut off. She normally have a head on strait to counter rosie or is it a fluke?

 

[1911austin]

I fear that some state legislators will use this event to push through more gun bans and more restricitive gun laws in state with already restrictive gunlaws. This incident will lead to more gun control, even if it is only in a handful of states.

You never know. Prior the yesterday’s shootings at VT, the deadliest shooting spree in the U.S. was the Lubby’s incident in Waco Texas. The result of that crime was Texas passing CHL.

 

[Lupinus]

I can see it swinging either way. As peopel calling for more gun control, and as more people realizing the police can't protect them every minute of the day and maybe they need to take care of themselves.

There is a huge pool out there of people not currently on either side of the issue, either because they haven't decided or just honestly not bothered to look into it.

This could easily go either way.

 

[cbsbyte]

You never know. Prior the yesterday’s shootings at VT, the deadliest shooting spree in the U.S. was the Lubby’s incident in Waco Texas. The result of that crime was Texas passing CHL

Thats Texas, if that shooting had happen in Mass, or NJ, or NY they would have had more gun restrictions. In several states I can see this incident leading to more gun control.

 

[BrennanKG]

It doesn't matter what I think, which I find appalling, because I'm awesome and people should listen to me.

LMAO Nightcrawler!
That was quite funny.
I feel the same way!


B.

 

[CatsDieNow]

I'll assume that the other woman you are referring to is Elisabeth Hasselbeck. She and Rosie frequently get into it.

I always end up seeing clips of that show and Rosie's antics while I am running at the gym.

 

[ATW525]

I have nothing personal against Rosie, other than disagreeing with her views on gun control. I'm afraid that this is true, though:

Ah, fooey....they're just playing "underdog". They know the american public loves to rally behind the underdog

She's basically saying that the NRA is too scary and big and there's no hope. It definitely comes off as playing the "underdog".

 

[helpless]

Elisabeth Hasselbeck.

Her job is to sit there and act like a republican. You guys are not falling for this are you?

The Point/Counter point format is total BS, No matter what show or what channel.

 

[cbsbyte]

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is not even a Republican. She stated that on Hannity and Colmes. She is an politcal independent. Which makes her the token conservative on the View.

 

[obxned]

The real problem in America is that too many people get their opinions from:

Loud-mouthed 'celebrities' who really know nothing of the real world.

'News' people using the media to deliver their God-like pronouncements on anything and everything.

Neurotic actors whose only qualifications are a winning smile or a ponderous rack.

Athletes who are very, very good at playing a game, but little else.

Educators who don't appear to have studied history or civics.

 

[Prince Yamato]

I fear that some state legislators will use this event to push through more gun bans and more restricitive gun laws in state with already restrictive gunlaws

exactly. I predict 2 things.

1) the already restrictive states get MUCH more restrictive
2) the free states (ie Texas) will open up CCW to college campuses in the coming months... ya' hear that Rick Perry?