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I thought Fred supported the 2A...

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Why should we change an institution that has been in place for 200 years?
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You mean the government was handing out entitlements and tax breaks to married couples two hundred years ago?

do civilized countries murder their unborn children?
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Societies have always decided who lives and who dies. Capital punishment, euthanasia, abortion... whatever.
 
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DO. NOT.

Degenerate this thread into a flame fest on abortion and homosexuality.


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Those values are not universal, they are divisive.

There are plenty of American values that are universal, and unifying:

Liberty.
Responsibility.
Self Determination.
Hard work, and the reaping of its rewards.
Tolerance, for those who think, pray or speak other than we would.
Privacy.
Limited Government.
 
geekWithA.45 said:
There are plenty of American values that are universal, and unifying:

Liberty.
Responsibility.
Self Determination.
Hard work, and the reaping of its rewards.
Tolerance, for those who think, pray or speak other than we would.
Privacy.
Limited Government.
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What America do you live in? I'd like to visit.
 
His cancer will not kill him. He's said that it will NOT affect his life expectancy PLUS he is in remission.

And MY GOD people, your endless Ron Paul vs. Fred Thompson bickering has moved from annoying to downright despicable. This forum is supposed to be THE HIGH ROAD for GOODNESS SAKE. This is what a RP vs. FT argument should look like on this forum:

Person 1: I like Fred Thompson.
Person 2: I personally prefer Ron Paul, but I respect your decision. I feel Ron Paul is more in touch with my political views.
Person 3: Yeah Ron Paul's got some pretty good ideas. We could use someone like him.
Person 1: Yes, but I feel Fred Thompson would be better for the War on Terror.
Person 3: Well that is an important issue as well. I believe a FT/RP or RP/FT ticket would be the best solution, don't you?

<END of Utopian discussion.>

GROW. UP. PEOPLE. I am most likely at LEAST 10-20 years younger than all of you and I am APPALLED by how CHILDISH you are acting! "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Ben Franklin
 
Actually Redneck with a 40: I dont think that you realize gay marriage and gay institutions are a lot older than 200 years old. They actually date back to a lot more ancient times. So actually by banning it we have stopped progress? You also realize that the founding fathers did not allow the government to regulate marriage.

As for abortion, well it has been around for a long long time. In the time when our country was founded they were performed by people called mid-wives. And it was not considered murder because there is no baby nor is a person actually dying. Let me ask you, can I enroll a fetus in school or can it get a job?

I definately agree with working for your earnings and your own success.

As for religion, why didnt the Founding Fathers name a religion? Why were they so anti-religon in some of their personal writings? I dont think the United States of America was founded on religion in all honesty but freedom to practice your religion was one of the principles.

So what traditions are you talking about? Like what slavery, exploitation of others, mistreating others? Racism and prejudice running rampant? Here is a good one, genocide of nearly an entire race of people after we stole their land. How about lynching people for being black and wanting to be equal?

Any other traditions? How about religious ones like Christmas which were not widely celebrated until the 19th century? How about forcing native peoples to convert to your religion with violence? How about cutting their hair and outlawing their languages? What about denying these people the ability to get married or even sterilizing some of them?
 
To take this back on topic, Fred Thompson on the 2nd amendment is probably better than most of the GOP candidates. Certainly head and shoulders above the "Top Tier".
That said, I will not be supporting him, there are other positions that have I disagree with.
It has nothing to do with the "hit piece" on his record.
 
I stated my beliefs in no uncertain terms. I'm not pushing them on anyone else, nor do I advocate violence of any sort. The extremist behavior you outlined in your post is something I would never condone, so whats your point? How does my traditional values perspective condone the kind of violence you mentioned? Absurd.:rolleyes:

1) Is the definition of life based on "can I enroll a fetus in a school"? Are you kidding me?
2) Why is "In god we trust" on the dollar bill??

Life begins at conception in my book, end of story.

Are you implying that I am some kind of racist or bigot, because I am opposed to gay marriage, based on a traditional values perspective?

You're talking points sound like they are straight out of the progressive handbook, kind of ironic, since your a gun owner.

1) Eliminate christmas as it relates to a religious celebration? :barf:
2) Condone gay marriage?:barf:
3) Minimize and stigmatize religion in this country?:barf:
 
Fred Thompson certainly has my vote and my wifes and my friends and the
votes of my adult education english class....damn sure don't want an Obama
bin laden nor a Billery....had enough of both camps thank you...and as for
Bush he's a left wing pinko commie in my book....and as to national sovereignty...that is a major issue right behind abortion and 2nd amendment
concerns and the right to worship God as we see fit...these are middle american values...forget the east coast and west coast...America lies in the middle...
 
I'm not sure if this is appropriate, but, Redneck:

"rape and incest would be the exception"

You just said abortion is murder. Those two have no reason to make it an exception. A child is innocent of his father's guilt.
 
Me and Tecumseh are diametrically opposed on social issues, that's obvious. I'll leave it at that, this discussion could get ugly in a hurry. I don't want to get the thread locked either, so I'm done.
 
I don't want to hear ANY complaining from the folks that wont support a winning candidate thats on our side(Gun Rights) when a DEM moonbat gets into office...

You may not agree with Thompson on alot of things, but ill bet you agree with even less of the things ANY of the Dem frontrunner's offer. BE CAREFUL ON WHO YOU DONT SUPPORT.

And forget any independents...this is a 2 Party system, it will never change...a vote for losertarian or other party is a wasted vote(Remember Perot).
 
BE CAREFUL ON WHO YOU DONT SUPPORT
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That should have been the campaign slogan of George W. Bush. We tried that, and got eight years of him.

Also, before you get all bent out of shape, I would like to point out that we are talking about the Republican PRIMARY here, not the general election. Voting against Fred in the primary does not elect a Democrat.
 
Fred Thompson has a chance of winning and is better than most on the 2nd. Ron Paul (someone should not have two first names as their name), does not have even 1% of the people following him.

Do I agree with everything he stands for, nope, but I like him a whole lot better than most anyone else who has a chance.
 
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Bickering Re: Abortion & Homosexuality (I guess some people can't read)

Bonus points awarded towards thread closure for

Dead Horse Beating Re: Fred v Ron
 
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