I want a single action in 45 colt 1873. what to stay away from?

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I have been hankering to get a SAA in 45 colt.

I have about $450 to spend. I prefer to get something that is going to last a while. I have a ton of pulled down ammo as primed cases with both cast and jacketed projectiles and I want something to run it through. I would want to stick with the 1873 platform.

I see pietta and uberti make the styles I like and want to go with one of those. 5" barrel at least. Which ones are going to hold up the best in my price range? I will be reloading the components I have.

Thoughts and opinions are greatly appreciated.
 
Since I doubt that you'll find a Ruger NM Vaquero at that price point I'd say go with an Italian clone as well. And the other thing is that when you guy an Italian gun you are getting a true copy of the old original 1873 action. Rugers are nice and all but they are only old style on the outside with an all Ruger action design.

At one point Pietta was not as nice as Uberti. But that's well in the past. My own Pietta guns from about 10 years ago and a pair recently bought by a close buddy compare very well to the Uberti black powder revolvers I have. And by my own standards as a hobby machinist I find the insides and general fit of either brand guns of today are top notch. They are better made than their price range suggests in both cases. You would not be unhappy with either brand.

At this point I think you'll find that you can pick up a Pietta for a bit less than an equivalent Uberti. So that's something to consider.

The traditional length was the 7.5" barrel. And if you are looking at one to use for target shooting the longer sight baseline will potentially give you better accuracy if your nerves are steady enough to take advantage of that. But the barrel length is certainly a case of personal taste. Me? I like the look of the longer barrel. Which might explain why I also really like the looks of my long barrel black powder Remington New Army and the Colt 1851's and 1860's.

Take note that with fixed sights that you can only have accurate sights for one or at best two loads. So if your ammo will be a wide variety of bullet weights and shapes you'll find that your hits on the targets are a sort of vertical line at best. The lighter or faster bullets hitting higher than the heavy or slower bullets. Once you settle in on a load and bullet you can touch up the front sight to suit so you are aiming at where the gun will put the bullet.

While the gun won't hand grenade on you with full SAMMI power levels you may find that a steady diet of such loads tends to beat the gun loose over time. A true SAA is not a large gun and there's simply not a lot of metal in it. So toning things down to keep the pressures down more in the 9K to10K CUP and 850 to max 900 FPS range are likely wise.

Besides having shot a few full power .45Colt rounds from a bigger and heavier old model Vaquero I can say that they are pretty darn stout. Not far off the feel of a .44Mag. On a "proper" SAA size and weight gun I suspect that they would be quite punishing. Keep in mind that the originals shot black powder. And black, if you have not shot any black powder, has a longer sort of THUMP! to it than the CRACK! we get with smokless. So they hit the hand totally differently.
 
I purchased a 4 3/4" Uberti Cattleman in .357 a few months ago, very happy with it after a few hundred rounds. It hits very close to point of aim at 50' with .357 loads, and the recoil is not uncomfortable.

Nice looking gun, and I'm glad I made the purchase.
 
Drool at the Cimarron Firearms website. Gun porn. Too notch finishes on Uberti revolvers. All my single actions are Cimarrons and never a regret. Buffalo Arms also sells the Cimarron finished firearms, sometimes for a little cheaper.
 
I don't think the responses so far are working within that $450 budget, not for a new gun out the door. I looked at a Pieta in Cabela's, and it was pathetic. Uberti/Cimarron/Taylor's/Stoeger et al. are a class above and priced accordingly.
 
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The traditional length was the 7.5" barrel.

Howdy

There were three standard barrel lengths for the Colt Single Action Army. 7 1/2", 5 1/2", and 4 3/4". Other barrel lengths were available on special order, but those three were the standards. The original barrel length was 7 1/2". This was often called the Cavalry model because the first Colts were mostly issued to Cavalry troops. In the late 1890s many of the originals were tired and so they were sent back to Colt or the government armory for freshening up. At this time, many barrels were cut down 5 1/2". 5 1/2" barrels had existed before this, but because many of the refurbished guns were issued to artillery units, this length became unofficially known as the Artillery model. The 4 3/4" length is sometimes referred to as the 'gunfighter' model, but collectors never a recognized that name.

The lighter or faster bullets hitting higher than the heavy or slower bullets.

I have heard that stated many times, but my own experience runs counter to that. I have found, that all other things being equal, a heavier bullet will strike the target higher, not lower, than a lighter bullet propelled by the same powder charge. The conventional logic is the lighter, faster bullet exits the barrel before the muzzle has had as much chance to rise. My own theory is that the difference in the amount of time in the barrel is insignificant. What is important is how high the muzzle rose before the bullet exited, and I have found that heavier bullets cause more recoil so the bullet arcs higher after it leaves the muzzle.

Besides having shot a few full power .45Colt rounds from a bigger and heavier old model Vaquero I can say that they are pretty darn stout. Not far off the feel of a .44Mag. On a "proper" SAA size and weight gun I suspect that they would be quite punishing. Keep in mind that the originals shot black powder. And black, if you have not shot any black powder, has a longer sort of THUMP! to it than the CRACK! we get with smokless. So they hit the hand totally differently.

Hope I'm not being too contrary, but I shoot full house Black Powder rounds out of my Colts all the time, it is my standard load. Yes, the recoil is stout, but it is not punishing. The trick is to not grasp the gun tightly, but allow it to roll in the hand in recoil. That tames the recoil considerably.

Regarding $450, I doubt you will find a new Uberti or PIetta for that. They seem to be running more around $500 - $550, at least that is what the MSRP seems to be. You may be able to find one locally for less, but that is what the catalogs are asking.

A couple of points. I see that Taylors and a few other outfits are calling the guns without the modern transverse spring loaded cylinder pin 'Old Models'. Traditionally these were called the Black Powder Frame. A name which is in itself misleading, seeing as the modern transverse latch first appeared around 1896, when Colt was still not recommending the SAA be fired with modern Smokeless powder. Not a problem with modern steel, the older style is made of the same steel as the more modern style and they can both take SAAMI max loads of Smokeless powder. The problem with the older style was you needed a screwdriver to remove the screw that held the cylinder pin in place. That's why the spring loaded latch was invented.

I would stay away from the 'charcoal blue' versions that Taylors and some other importers are offering. These are the ones with the pretty robin's egg blue. It is not a very robust finish. I had one years ago and the sweat of my palm wore the blue off the backstrap inside a year. Modern blue is more rugged.

Most of the Italian imports come with the traditional 'V' groove rear sight. Not as forgiving for old eyes as the Colt 2nd Gen square type of notch. Some of the importers offer a square notch, that is what I would prefer for my old eyes. In this photo the 2nd Gen Colt on the left has a square notch, the Uberti Cattleman on the right has the more traditional 'V' groove.

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Regarding barrel lengths, go with what you want. The 5 1/2" length was the most popular barrel length for the SAA. 7 1/2" has a longer sight radius, so is more conducive to accurate shooting. Personally I have always found the 5 1/2" length to be boring. I prefer the grace of the 7 1/2" barrel or the brutish appearance of the 4 3/4" barrel. For what it's worth, for what ever reason, I usually shoot better with this 4 3/4" Colt than the 7 1/2" inch one. Go figure.

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What Barry said.

Cimarron imports a number of Uberti models that a lot of the guys on the Colt forum like to own & shoot. Just a quick search at Tombstone Tactical:

https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/cimarron/mp410-model-p-saa-revolver-45lc-4.75in-6rd-blued/

That single action appears to be in the OP's price range. Some other dealers may list them for less. Just gotta look.
Okay, but that gun is over $450 before any tax, shipping, or FFL It is not 5.5" either. If refuting claims and arguments we should be pretty specific.
 
I see the EAA german made Bounty Hunters out there as well. I also see they also have a transfer bar safety but are a touch over my price range.
Several of the vendors I bought my Windicators through offer a layaway plan which may help me out if these turn out to be a option. I have had good luck with the 4 windicators I have so they are on the radar.

I still think I want to stick with the 4. 750 length barrel over the longer barrel. And there seems to be plenty of good options in the under $450 range.
 
I happen to have several Ubertis 5.5" & 3.75"
Sorry, no experience with Pietta.

LOVE my Ubertis - There as accurate as I can make 'em.

Here's a link for you to drool over!
https://www.uberti-usa.com/

$450 probably isn't gonna to be enough, save another $100.
& quite a few of 'em will be in your price range.

Did I say I love 'em? Yes, I believe I did :)

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I see the EAA german made Bounty Hunters out there as well. I also see they also have a transfer bar safety but are a touch over my price range.
Several of the vendors I bought my Windicators through offer a layaway plan which may help me out if these turn out to be a option. I have had good luck with the 4 windicators I have so they are on the radar.

I still think I want to stick with the 4. 750 length barrel over the longer barrel. And there seems to be plenty of good options in the under $450 range.


Howdy Again

Many years ago I knew a lady who used to say, 'You pays your money, you takes your choice.' And there is another old saying that is pertinent here. 'You get what you pay for.'

If I was you I would save up a little more money and buy something made by Uberti rather than the Bounty Hunter. I have heard too many stories of transfer bars breaking in Bounty Hunters.

Save an extra $100 and take a step up in quality.
 
I think I may have trouble sleeping tonight.

My absolute all around favorite SAA Revolver barrel length is 5 1/2".

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I think they are easily the sexiest looking - I just like the way a 5 1/2" barrel extends just beyond the extractor housing. The honorable Driftwood Johnson thinks they are "boring". That man certainly knows his revolvers, so I am afraid I will be tossing and turning as I mull over his post tonight.
 
Gotta stay at my $450 Mark no exceptions.
Looks to be plenty around at that price even some case hardened look guns.

I do layaway sometimes if anything is over $450. Most low volume sellers that carry the saa don't offer that so I need to stick to my plan.

Thanks for the advice though. Maybe I'll rummage through the safe and see if there's something I just can't live without and maybe that will bring up the spending tally a bit. I hate doing that though.
 
I see the EAA german made Bounty Hunters out there as well. I also see they also have a transfer bar safety but are a touch over my price range.
Several of the vendors I bought my Windicators through offer a layaway plan which may help me out if these turn out to be a option. I have had good luck with the 4 windicators I have so they are on the radar.

I still think I want to stick with the 4. 750 length barrel over the longer barrel. And there seems to be plenty of good options in the under $450 range.
What good options did you find that would have a total bill no more than $450? I am not doubting a used gun could be found, but then I would hold out for a New Vaquero, since you want somewhat of a beater just to use up recycled components, and durability is a criteria.
 
Analogkid

A few years back I wanted a single action revolver (but couldn't afford a Colt), and happened upon a new in box Beretta Stampede in .45 Colt. Well made and finished with a decent trigger, I found it at a gun show and paid $400 for it.

 
I happen to have several Ubertis 5.5" & 3.75"
Sorry, no experience with Pietta.

LOVE my Ubertis - There as accurate as I can make 'em.

Here's a link for you to drool over!
https://www.uberti-usa.com/

$450 probably isn't gonna to be enough, save another $100.
& quite a few of 'em will be in your price range.

Did I say I love 'em? Yes, I believe I did :)

My two guns look the same but are PC Jr replicas in 38 Special, same barrel lengths as yours. The Bird Head has the same grip and checkering from Stoeger/Taylors'. Looks like you went 357 Magnum. Nice pics.

These are my guns. Look familiar?
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Gotta stay at my $450 Mark no exceptions.
Looks to be plenty around at that price even some case hardened look guns.

I do layaway sometimes if anything is over $450. Most low volume sellers that carry the saa don't offer that so I need to stick to my plan.

Thanks for the advice though. Maybe I'll rummage through the safe and see if there's something I just can't live without and maybe that will bring up the spending tally a bit. I hate doing that though.

Does it have to be new or would you consider used market ? I've seen a few Vaqueros lately locally for $400-$550. One currently for $425 in 45 Colt.

-Jeff
 
For some reason I thought the vaquero was another model. I'll look into this as well.
 
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I'm not fond of the ruger version.
Suit yourself, but its advantages include being able to safely carry with all six chambers loaded and having more confidence in shooting loads above SAAMI spec but not more pressure than the 45 ACP options.
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There was a comment about the sights on imported guns. My Uberti has a square notch rear sight, not the vee type as mentioned.
The Uberti has a date code of CP and that means it was made in 2016.

I have a earlier Uberti with a date code of BF (1995) that makes it 22 years old and it comes with the vee type rear sight.
The Italian gun makers do change with the times and customer wants.
 
There was a comment about the sights on imported guns. My Uberti has a square notch rear sight, not the vee type as mentioned.
The Uberti has a date code of CP and that means it was made in 2016.

Admittedly I have not bought an Uberti revolver in quite a few years. In the past, the 'V' groove was standard. At some point, some specific models became available with a square notch rear sight, mostly the competition models. I will admit,I do not know exactly what features Uberti is offering today, I was going by past experience.
 
The V-groove has been standard for a long time. If that's changed universally, it has been very recent.

In current production, both Uberti and Pietta make very good sixguns for their modest prices. I have a passel of `em, recently adding another to the fold.
 
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