I was almost involved in 2 shootings (part 2 of 2)

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FCFC,

Nah... I still stand by his lack of culpability.

You see...

What we are talking about is what would be assumed as proper dicorum in a society. Respect, knocking before entering a home, etc. are what one would call "assumed normal behavior."

If one operates outside the bounds of "assumed normal behavior," they own the consequences of thier choices.

I KNOW what will happen if I engage in certain activites, and I should not be suprised when it happens. For this reason, I do not engage in those practices.

This is Darwinism. It goes back to the problem with society being that there are too many stupid people and not enough things to eat them.

In a civilized society, idiots are a protected species. But when one screws up, it isn't the fault of everyone around him.


-- John
 
"I did have my finger on the trigger!"
I'm surprised no one else picked up on this. Very bad idea! Always rememer the 4 rules!
Glad everthing turned out ok, though.
 
I called my wife and was telling her about it when he came back inside and said he was calling the police.
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HAHAHAHAHA.

Go ahead bud, call the police. And explain how you entered someone else's house silently, without announcing your presence... and now you're upset the startled home owner drew on you.

Unless Hillary Clinton is the local sheriff, this complaint would hold no water.

Ban him from Thanksgiving and Christmas! :D
 
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My F-I-L is a pedophile. :(

We used to live about 200 miles away and he would sometimes show up unnannounced, sometimes alone and sometimes with other family. Not so much walking into the house (trailer) but just showing up with no notice and no concern over whatever else we might be doing (we had our own business and worked 16 hr days in the summer).

When we moved two states away to MT, we got a PO box and never gave him our street address. When we still lived in town, we had given him some friends' business address for UPS packages to be delivered.

So one day out of the blue we get a call that he is at our friends' place wanting to come see us. :fire: Even though it was only 4 blocks away, we didn't let him come to our house. My wife went to see him, but she drove all around town and approached the motel from a different direction.

Now we're out in the country, but we still keep the PO box just as a place to exchange letters and xmas cards with her family. Only one trusted uncle knows where we live and he has been here twice.

My F-I-L will see what the muzzle of a gun looks like if he ever manages to show up here. :uhoh:
 
A lot of thefts, breakins are done by people that know the family, or know relatives of the family. How do you know the FIN isn't a molester coming back for more? (enter paranoia here). Key or no key or even an unlocked or open door, make noise, let someone know your there, the noise may scare off a criminal and avoid an armed confrontation.
 
I would ask him if he had a will, because the next time he "breaks in", he may need one. Even though he may have a key, which he shouldn't unless he knows the rules. He is still breaking in, as long as you have no knowledge of his intent and he has no reason to be there. I have my familys keys for several different homes, but I would never think to enter one unless there was an ,emergency, or I was watching an animal for them. The guy soonds like an ass.
 
I would take the key, then tell him that at any time he wants to visit he is to call a head and make sure it is ok. If he wants to have a relationship with you and the daughter then he can give you the same level of respect that he expects. If not then don't bother coming over as he is not welcome!
 
Eric, I don't think you did anything wrong. Next time I would Taser his A**. ;-)
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My sister used to do that crap at all hours. She works odd hours, and would just open the door at whatever time. This had been fine when I'd heard and seen her truck approach, but I'd warned her a dozen times not to do that. I told her "you need to knock at this house." She didn't listen.

But one day I had the TV up too loud or something, and the door just popped open. I didn't hear a truck or anything. She stepped through and I started swearing. She didn't even REALIZE she'd been covered. When the door popped open I flopped around my couch for concealment and drew. By the time she saw me I was already re-holstering and standing up.

"What were you doing?"

"Getting ready to shoot a damned intruder. Would you please knock?"

She *always* knocks/announces before entering now.

This is serious business. It was serious here, and it's serious for the OP. Warn the people who think they are familiar enough to just "walk right in" that it's a dangerous idea to do that to anyone's house but your own.

I can say for certain, that my sister didn't do it out of malice or to be annoying or sneaky. She just didn't realize the gravity of the practice.
 
And people wonder why I've never been married. Holy cow.

Bottom line, the FIL should have knocked first. Not his house. Heck, I knock at friend's houses I've known for years.
 
Sounds like the father in law needs a lesson in manners regarding coming into houses unannounced. I would also consider re-keying your house, and don't give them a key! If you are lucky, staring down the business end of a 1911 will wake him up, but probably not.
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sound advice. i would have called him a lot more. you sounded a little light. basicly he would have known by the time im done that he is not welcome in my house without me being there
 
My father-in-law is gun neutral, my mother-in-law is very, very anti. They maintain an "open door" household where people just walk on in about any hour of the day or night..... gives me fits but that's THEIR home and I don't tell them how to do it.

On the flip side, when my wife moved in with me, prior to our marriage, I set some time aside to have a little sit-down the in-laws to be. I explained that I keep an armed home, and regardless of familial practices, they are to call before coming over, knock when they get here, and never do anything retarded like coming around the back yard to see if a door is open if they suspect I'm not home, etc.

It was a touchy situation, in which one had to be very firm, without being offensive and generating resentment. Fortunately, it all worked out well and my in-laws and I hold positions of mutual respect.

It sounds like it's a bit late for that in your case, but with any luck you can still explain to him the gravity of his transgressions without making it worse than it is atm. Best Luck.
 
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You knew he had a key? And he had been foolish enough to walk into your house unannounced before????
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So because Eric knew his FIL had a key he is to assume that every unannounced intruder into his home is his FIL and just ignore it? OH! and let us not forget he'd actually been involved in a major shootout just a few days before - that would of course have nothing to do with his state of mind/readiness at all would it?

OKAYYYYY! You hear that Eric. FC has decided to assume responsibility for your safety because he's right, you're wrong and no unannounced intruder into your home will ever be anyone else but your FIL. So you don't have to be worried or concerned that any unannounced intruder is a threat. All is good. FCFC has said so.

MAN! Sucks to be YOU ERIC!
 
You did good. It seems the only problem is correcting your FIL. Changing your locks will send a sure signal.

Can your wife talk to him and get a point across better? If he can't play be the rules, then don't play with him.
 
This sounds like a matter of lack of respect. Mr FIL doesn't respect your borders, your rules, your basic ideals, or, apparently, you.

I come from a family that lives in a region where unlocked doors are the norm. Regardless, you knock at the door.
Period.
Even if you are expected.
Not knocking is proof that you do not respect the property owner.
Getting shot at is almost a side issue.
 
For me, the bottom line is this:

I may be my Brother's Keeper, but I expect my Father-in-Law to know better.


-- John
 
My parents were anti-gun, anti-violence, since long before I was born. But there is no way I would ever walk into their house unannounced. Startling people is NOT the way to see their good side.

Hey FC, do you by chance work for the 9th Judicial Circuit? Maybe the ACLU? Just wondering.......the attitude sounds similar.

Papajohn
 
First off, keys to our home are not handed out. Our son has one. He knows he is always welcome. He also knows I always pack. He always knocks when visiting.
Eric's FIL sounds like a solid gold jerk. Entering a home not your own without knocking is as rude as it gets. Maybe it takes looking down the muzzle to make an impression. Threatening to call the cops should make him unwelcome, but in the real world Eric has to keep peace with his wife.
 
The F-I-L is responsible for the "issue." The OP reacted as any resident should. Even in safer days, I would enter my parents house without knocking, but the first thing I did upon entering was hollar out a "HellOOOOOOO. Anybody home?" If there was no answer, I would walk through the house, repeating the alert.

My brother did the same.

That said, I personally believe that the reverse does not apply to parents-in-law entering the offspring's home. I believe in-laws should knock, and wait to be admitted. I know my parents never entered my home without ringing the doorbell and having me or my wife answer the door, and I know that my grandparents never entered my parents' home without knocking and being let in.
 
Remember Rule #4 and keep things in perspective. Respect is a two-way street.
 
He came back in the house and started yelling about how could we have an aggressive dog like that and that he should borrow a gun and shoot the dog. My daugther's response was to sneak out the back door and bring the dog in the laundry room. She closed the door and the dog started digging at the door trying to get thru. She told my father in law that she did not like people threatening her dog and that she figured he would be thru the door in about 1 minute.
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I LIKE it!!!

FCFC, why is the OP culpable? Please explain.

Had the police been called, and if I was the responding officer, I would have listened to both sides--then chewed the FIL a new one, AND asked if the homeowner had wanted to press charges for trespass.

So, where is the "culpability"?
 
On the flip side, when my wife moved in with me, prior to our marriage, I set some time aside to have a little sit-down the in-laws to be. I explained that I keep an armed home, and regardless of familial practices, they are to call before coming over, knock when they get here, and never do anything retarded like coming around the back yard to see if a door is open if they suspect I'm not home, etc.

It was a touchy situation, in which one had to be very firm, without being offensive and generating resentment. Fortunately, it all worked out well and my in-laws and I hold positions of mutual respect.
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Excellent thinking, excellent application, Noxx.

Plus, you didn't avoid the hard work that was necessary to accomplish your communication and security goals.

Well done, sir.
 
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