Idaho: Permitless Carry Legislation Introduced

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My goal in making the post wasn't to sway the opinion of those who believe that any rule limiting the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a violation of the Second Amendment (and I guess under that argument or logic convicted criminals and the mentally insane should be allowed to possess and carry too)
I'm not a fan of permit-less carry. I teach the class here in SC.
Just to be clear, let me expand my previous statement. I'm not a fan of permit-less carry in public, either open or concealed.
I'm betting you'd withhold someones rights for much less than being a convict or insane.
I take the views of those who stand to loose financially when freedom is expanded with a grain of salt.
Having to prove the American public can be trusted with dangerous things without setting through 4 hours of lecture and anecdotal opinion makes them anything more than lighter in the wallet is questionable at best.
 
Interesting assumption. And an incorrect one.

I'll be glad to show you my income tax returns. Teaching is a passion, not an income generator. 95% of the classes I teach are volunteering with another instructor. They might buy my lunch on occasion or include me in some free range time doing advanced drills forward of the normal shooting stations provided by the guns store/range where we teach but nothing more.

I'm also a non-compensated somewhat regular guest on a local talk radio show. I have a standing offer that I make to the audience every time I am on the air. I will go anywhere within reason and speak to any group with sufficient notice about gun safety and responsible ownership free of charge.
 
I take the views of those who stand to loose financially when freedom is expanded with a grain of salt.

X-Rap, it's not always money when somebody feels that he or she is more equal than others. I see lots of people wanting to set the bar just below where they happen to be when consider extending [strike] rights [/strike] privileges to the un-annointed. The attitude is that, by virtue of my special training and added insights, I get to decide if the constitution applies to you. This is the same argument the (other?) antis use. "We can't let just anybody carry a gun" (with or without an "especially those people" thrown in, be they of another race, another religion, or simply a different level of education).

I guess under that argument or logic convicted criminals and the mentally insane should be allowed to possess and carry too

Depends on the crime, and the level of insanity. If the person has been adjudicated to be danger to themselves or others it would make more sense to keep them locked up than to try to lock away all of the cars, gasoline, chainsaws, matches, guns, electricity or whatever they may use to hurt themselves or others. If they're convicted of a really dangerous felony like cable theft or filling in a sinkhole on their own property I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to protect their families when they get out of jail. Am I missing something?
 
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And to be clear the process in Idaho for the basic permit is walk into the Sheriffs office, show proof of firearms safety course, have your finger prints taken and wait for the background check to clear. My proof of firearms safety was my Iowa hunters safety card that I obtained in April of 1995 at the ripe age of 12. We did not touch a firearm in that class, one kid passed with a score of 26 out of 50.

All of the local libs keep yelling "but they need training". The enhanced permit does require a training course to allow campus carry (not sure if the new law will change this).
 
So glad to live in Constitutional Carry Arizona, where we've had '"permitless open carry" for over 100 years and still manage to have a lower murder rate than Chicago. :)
 
Interesting assumption. And an incorrect one.

I guess we'll have to go with HankR's reasoning then. Both types are certainly out there.
 
If the person has been adjudicated to be danger to themselves or others it would make more sense to keep them locked up than to try to lock away all of the cars, gasoline, chainsaws, matches, guns, electricity or whatever they may use to hurt themselves or others.
So there is some level where infringement is okay. Thanks for clarifying the consistency of "Shall Not Be Infringed".
 
Me: ...person has been adjudicated to be danger to themselves or others it would make more sense to keep them locked up..

Plan2Live:So there is some level where infringement is okay. Thanks for clarifying the consistency of "Shall Not Be Infringed".

Yep, I'm a huge hypocrite. I'm OK with prisoners (as in those in prison) not being able to have their guns in prison. When it's safe to let them out, however...

The permit process out here in America is pretty much as boomerdf described, but I see that SC is one of the states that doesn't accept our permits, probably because we have no training requirement. Even though I'm an NRA instructor, I'm OK with that. Glad I don't live there in SC, and hope those of you who want to further limit our rights won't export those ideas out here to the free states.
 
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