Idaho 'three step rule'
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Rockwell, I did. You only posted part of the lyrics.
Johnny Dollar. Thanks for updating me on FL law. I don't really pay much attention to FL laws. Got a CCW permit from TN and it is honored in FL. She's in TN now and I have encouraged her to get the permit also so she can legally carry a loaded handgun in her vehicle.
Judge.... I was following the 3-Step rule as he starts humming the LS tune.
Johnny Dollar. Thanks for updating me on FL law. I don't really pay much attention to FL laws. Got a CCW permit from TN and it is honored in FL. She's in TN now and I have encouraged her to get the permit also so she can legally carry a loaded handgun in her vehicle.
Judge.... I was following the 3-Step rule as he starts humming the LS tune.
I use these three steps :
1 Identify Threat
2 Draw Pistol
3 Squeeze Trigger repeatedly until threat is Neutralized
1 Identify Threat
2 Draw Pistol
3 Squeeze Trigger repeatedly until threat is Neutralized
Yea the whole three step thing is (or was) obviously,
just a rule of thumb, NOT a law.
The incident I spoke of earlier was pretty surreal
as it went down.
My guess is IF this guy (who was in the residence when he started his crap)
was armed at that time, we all might of been dead.
I think it was more of alcohol talking for this dude
than anything else
as he was becoming pretty belligerent and we called him a cab.
I guess he just didn't like the idea we wanted him to leave.
(We hurt his feelings, I guess)...
Nice comment... Not all of us walk around locked and loaded with guns in our sidekick
holsters 24/7 'worrying' that the next person we see is going to do us harm.
Paranoid much? lol
Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with being prepared,
but I'm quit aware of how to assess my surroundings and if need be...
adjust my 'readiness' to fit the situation.
It's really not that hard to do.
Furthermore, were I live now I don't usually find myself surrounded by the criminal element.
We don't even lock our doors and strangers still say hello and thank you when passing.
Really nice little town, full of gun owners too I'm sure.
With that said, if I'm in a gun free zone around here and some BG goes to shooting...
I'm sure I'll of wished I was armed in the building, whether legal or not.
Maybe, some folks still live in a really bad neighborhood or city,
so they are so paranoid that they feel they MUST be at DEFCON 4, 24/7?
It's sad and that's probably the case for many.
Personally I'm glad I removed my family from the almost war zone situation
we faced in South Florida.
Hopefully others will be as fortunate as I and be able to remove their families from harms way.
Or maybe our politicians will get a back bone and start
reforming laws to further deter would be thugs.
I see your point. I/we could be dead or possibly harmed.
I hope that this small minority that has made the rest of us law abiding
citizens suffer ridiculous restrictions don't become the majority.
In THAT scenario this rabbit will carry EVERYWHERE, regardless of insane restrictive laws.
Little side note:
The 'Jug' is a real bar out in the woods close to the Itchatucnee river.
(Yes I also still own a home in N. Florida, Colombia County)...
Been there many times and it may be that the
members of Lynard Skinner had been there as well...
and this song is a true story.
Back into the day all were welcome, bikers pot heads, red necks you name it.
Really cool little place and yes we all had guns.
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
just a rule of thumb, NOT a law.
The incident I spoke of earlier was pretty surreal
as it went down.
My guess is IF this guy (who was in the residence when he started his crap)
was armed at that time, we all might of been dead.
I think it was more of alcohol talking for this dude
than anything else
as he was becoming pretty belligerent and we called him a cab.
I guess he just didn't like the idea we wanted him to leave.
(We hurt his feelings, I guess)...
Nice comment... Not all of us walk around locked and loaded with guns in our sidekick
holsters 24/7 'worrying' that the next person we see is going to do us harm.
Paranoid much? lol
Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with being prepared,
but I'm quit aware of how to assess my surroundings and if need be...
adjust my 'readiness' to fit the situation.
It's really not that hard to do.
Furthermore, were I live now I don't usually find myself surrounded by the criminal element.
We don't even lock our doors and strangers still say hello and thank you when passing.
Really nice little town, full of gun owners too I'm sure.
With that said, if I'm in a gun free zone around here and some BG goes to shooting...
I'm sure I'll of wished I was armed in the building, whether legal or not.
Maybe, some folks still live in a really bad neighborhood or city,
so they are so paranoid that they feel they MUST be at DEFCON 4, 24/7?
It's sad and that's probably the case for many.
Personally I'm glad I removed my family from the almost war zone situation
we faced in South Florida.
Hopefully others will be as fortunate as I and be able to remove their families from harms way.
Or maybe our politicians will get a back bone and start
reforming laws to further deter would be thugs.
I see your point. I/we could be dead or possibly harmed.
I hope that this small minority that has made the rest of us law abiding
citizens suffer ridiculous restrictions don't become the majority.
In THAT scenario this rabbit will carry EVERYWHERE, regardless of insane restrictive laws.
Little side note:
The 'Jug' is a real bar out in the woods close to the Itchatucnee river.
(Yes I also still own a home in N. Florida, Colombia County)...
Been there many times and it may be that the
members of Lynard Skinner had been there as well...
and this song is a true story.
Back into the day all were welcome, bikers pot heads, red necks you name it.
Really cool little place and yes we all had guns.
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
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The 3-step "rule" is not for a gun to be used in self-defense, from what I can see.
It's only for transporting a gun that cannot legally be "concealed."
It would be hard for a court to find that a gun 3 steps from being used is being "carried concealed."
It's only for transporting a gun that cannot legally be "concealed."
It would be hard for a court to find that a gun 3 steps from being used is being "carried concealed."
Now why didn't I think to just say that in my first post here? :banghead:
Yes that's it. I do believe >>> this ArmedBear has it right.
DEFCON 4 is normal peace time operations DEFCON 1 is all units foward deployed cocked, locked & ready to rock. DEFCON 0 is at war
OK my bad... DEFCON 2 then. Better? 
When I wrote that I couldn't remember which way it went.
(Hadn't seen War Games in a while)...
When I wrote that I couldn't remember which way it went.
(Hadn't seen War Games in a while)...
OK one more tid bit and I'll try to go away.
I traveled across the country unarmed shortly after 911
to get my son. Elian type thing, never mind.
Interesting to note my destination was Coeur D Alene Idaho.
Really pretty place but has a serious meth problem
from what I understand. Or did anyway.
I traveled across the country unarmed shortly after 911
to get my son. Elian type thing, never mind.
Interesting to note my destination was Coeur D Alene Idaho.
Really pretty place but has a serious meth problem
from what I understand. Or did anyway.
Well I hope you get me point my good man. lol
BTW you guys see the vid on You Tube with the cop who shot himself
with his 'unloaded' gun?
(Was at a school lecturing children)...
Right before his unloaded gun went off, he said:
'I'm the only one in the room qualified to' BANG.
(I'm paraphrasing so don't get your panties in a wad. lol)
BTW you guys see the vid on You Tube with the cop who shot himself
with his 'unloaded' gun?
(Was at a school lecturing children)...
Right before his unloaded gun went off, he said:
'I'm the only one in the room qualified to' BANG.
(I'm paraphrasing so don't get your panties in a wad. lol)
step 1 - grab pistol off my lap
step 2 - point at bad guy's face in my car window
step 3 - pull trigger
step 2 - point at bad guy's face in my car window
step 3 - pull trigger
You talkin' about Nat E. Dred, the Rasta ATF agent? The video of that fool's been posted on the 'net so much, the thread's usually get locked because it's been seen so often.
If the bad guy gets to your car before you grab the gun you're already waaaaaaaay behind the curve
I like this idea:
Three steps... triple tap.
One thing I wont do is have a round in the chamber UNTIL
it's time to go BANG or at DEFCON 1 <<< (is that right?).
Call me crazy, but that's just me.
Three steps... triple tap.
One thing I wont do is have a round in the chamber UNTIL
it's time to go BANG or at DEFCON 1 <<< (is that right?).
Call me crazy, but that's just me.
Couldn't resist
mixing up the metaphor (song) a bit, but it may be a local ordinance and whether it's later than
Eight o'clock in Boise...Idaho...
anyway...no, there's no three steps rule in Idaho. I'm betting it's one of two things:
1 - a variation on the 21-foot "danger zone" school of thought, since a potential attacker 21 feet away can reach you in three strides (steps) then tackle/knife/otherwise harm you; or -
2 - something LEO's from out of state were taught as to what constitutes an inaccessible (and therefore not "concealed" or imminently threatening) weapon in a vehicle, either as a rule of thumb or the law in their former states, prior to being hired as POST instructors.
Things like this "3-steps" business have a pernicious way of becoming an "infallible" training standard an officer can testify to in court in a concealed weapon violation case because "concealed" can be vague and difficult to define. Eventually, if the LEO's learn it and repeat it often enough, it becomes a standard of training, and even rise to the level of being a definition prosecutors and prosecution-minded judges can hang their hats on.
Idaho does not define "concealed," and has no reference anywhere to "three steps," but your friend has provided some valuable insight into how POST graduates in Idaho are trained to handle certain events. You should glean as much knowledge from him as you can of their super-secret crime fighting techniques so you know what to expect if you're ever involved or implicated in anything.
Don't forget to share what you learn!!
mixing up the metaphor (song) a bit, but it may be a local ordinance and whether it's later than
Eight o'clock in Boise...Idaho...
anyway...no, there's no three steps rule in Idaho. I'm betting it's one of two things:
1 - a variation on the 21-foot "danger zone" school of thought, since a potential attacker 21 feet away can reach you in three strides (steps) then tackle/knife/otherwise harm you; or -
2 - something LEO's from out of state were taught as to what constitutes an inaccessible (and therefore not "concealed" or imminently threatening) weapon in a vehicle, either as a rule of thumb or the law in their former states, prior to being hired as POST instructors.
Things like this "3-steps" business have a pernicious way of becoming an "infallible" training standard an officer can testify to in court in a concealed weapon violation case because "concealed" can be vague and difficult to define. Eventually, if the LEO's learn it and repeat it often enough, it becomes a standard of training, and even rise to the level of being a definition prosecutors and prosecution-minded judges can hang their hats on.
Idaho does not define "concealed," and has no reference anywhere to "three steps," but your friend has provided some valuable insight into how POST graduates in Idaho are trained to handle certain events. You should glean as much knowledge from him as you can of their super-secret crime fighting techniques so you know what to expect if you're ever involved or implicated in anything.
Don't forget to share what you learn!!
*2 men arguing*
Man 1: "YEAH? YOU WANNA FIGHT, YOU #(*%?!"
Man 2: "YEAH!!! WAIT... no... my gun is only 2 steps away YOU'RE LUCKY PAL... IF MY GUN WAS 1 STEP FURTHER AWAY... YOU'D BE ONE DEAD SOB!"
Man 1: "Indeed."
Man 2: "Well... lets hold hands and skip to the ice cream parlor together!"
Man 1: "YAY!"
*The men hold hands, skip to the local ice cream emporium, and become BFF's"
Sorry, Johnny Law... not all situations can turn out this PC. "step" rules aren't going to deter anyone from blowing someone away if they really want to.
Man 1: "YEAH? YOU WANNA FIGHT, YOU #(*%?!"
Man 2: "YEAH!!! WAIT... no... my gun is only 2 steps away
YOU'RE LUCKY PAL... IF MY GUN WAS 1 STEP FURTHER AWAY... YOU'D BE ONE DEAD SOB!"Man 1: "Indeed."
Man 2: "Well... lets hold hands and skip to the ice cream parlor together!"
Man 1: "YAY!"
*The men hold hands, skip to the local ice cream emporium, and become BFF's"
Sorry, Johnny Law... not all situations can turn out this PC. "step" rules aren't going to deter anyone from blowing someone away if they really want to.
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I hadn't thought of this, but this could be meant in the opposite way, too.
For defense, NO MORE than 3 steps should be required to take the shot.
I.e., if you conceal a gun so that you have to go through all sorts of machinations to get at it, it's no good. If you conceal it so you have to do no more than 3 things, like lift your shirt, draw and shoot, then the gun is worth carrying
For defense, NO MORE than 3 steps should be required to take the shot.
I.e., if you conceal a gun so that you have to go through all sorts of machinations to get at it, it's no good. If you conceal it so you have to do no more than 3 things, like lift your shirt, draw and shoot, then the gun is worth carrying
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