Identify this cannon

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Ok ever since i was a kid there is a cannon in someones front yard. It has never moved but recently i drove by and told my son to take some pictures. It is pretty worn out the carriage is jus rotted all out. But i am sure this would make a heck of a project sure would love to get a hold of this thing. Any one know how much these things go for.

Any how what kind of cannon is this does anyone know.
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Scrat the only place i would even begin to guess would be DGW catalog. I have plans that when it's decided that I am the one true heir to the "Howard Huges" estate to get me a couple of them. dream dream dream, what the heck if your going to dream, dream big.
 
Yep seems to be so, guess your gona have to light load it. By the way who do you think makes a "round ball mold for it?
 
oh its real. real as can be. i dont know if that is a crack almost looked too perfect like it its some kind of groove. it has markings on it. gonna have to go get some more pictures. from what i hear the cannon has been in that front yard for over 60 years now.
 
Take some pictures of the end of the barrel. American cannons have the manufacturer and date there. Plus it will determine if the thing is rifled.

European cannons have Crown's, names, dates around the touch hole.

Put a magnet on the barrel and see if it sticks. Try to determine if the barrel is cast iron or bronze.

Until then, it is just a thing that looks like a cannon.
 
We have a barrel very similar to that one mounted on a cement base in a little city park down by the river.

About 45 years ago, a local teenager who shall remain anonymous, loaded it with 3 pounds of FFG, a wadded-up newspaper, and a 15' log chain.

The resulting 2:00 AM boom woke up half the town, and the log chain made it a 1/4 mile across the Kansas river and sawed off about half an acre of Willow trees!

I believe it was a "Blue Pill" Proof load by any stretch of the imagination. But the barrel held together!

The following day, the city fathers had the barrel plugged with concrete, where it still sets today!

rc
 
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ok not too sure what the people will say when i walk on thier yard and take more pictures but will do
 
You need to look at the muzzle and trunnions to see if there are any foundry markings on them. The barrel kinda looks like a 1841 6 pdr but the barrel bands are in the wrong place. The wheels look like those for a wagon or carriage. Looks a blacksmith/homemade special. Here's a pic of a Civil War reproduction carriage with a 1841 6 pdr barrel.

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There's a cannon that sits by a courthouse that's on the way the the VA clinic I go to that looks alot like that one. I always thought it was a relic from the war until I stopped and took a good look at it and realized it was a homemade job.
 
I would agree.
I don't think the trunnion blocks are near high enough for a real cannon carriage.

Max elevation on that one would be severely limited.

rc
 
small or not. i just do not believe that 60 years ago someone went through all the trouble to make a cannon. In talking with my father he can recall that cannon being there for over 50 years himself. Problem is the people that live in the house are renters and do not speak english. If they owned that cannon shooooooot i would offer them a few grand and trailer back home. that would make a heck of a restoration project.
 
Leaving aside the Carriage...

The 'seam' and the not-filled-in-mould-seam area on the Barrel's front...kinda suggest to me that this is an old Hollywood Movie Prop...and not a 'real' Cannon...
 
This should prove interesting. I'm good for $25 towards the bail bond for cannon trespass. Explaining oneself to non-English speaking neighbors could prove challenging. :neener:
 
Just tell them you're from the INS and they'll run back in the house and out the back door.

rc
 
This should prove interesting. I'm good for $25 towards the bail bond for cannon trespass. Explaining oneself to non-English speaking neighbors could prove challenging. :neener:
LOL "Paybacks !!" You have no idea how many times I've come out from a meal to find some 5' tall tourist with black hair sitting on one of the bikes getting their pic taken. Wanna see a biker get owly in a hurry? Touch (let alone MOUNT) his bike without asking first.
 
. . . some 5' tall tourist with black hair sitting on one of the bikes . . .

Damned Canucks! You'd think they'd be happy sitting on their Vespas instead of coming down here and putting fingerprints on our American Iron.

BTW, all the Canadians are grey haired around here . . . I think it has something to do with Georgia being in the way of the yearly snow bird immigration to Florida, or something. The Canada Geese on the other hand are right pretty looking. :evil:
 
What a friday cant believe we are playing identify the Cannon.

Ok Mystery Solved. Once i got out and went up to the cannon its mystery solved. The cannon is not OE. It has to be some type of hollywood movie prop as what was mentioned. The Whole entire barrel is made out of wood. The elongated slot that looks like a crack is actually the wood rotting. you can see into the wood all over it. The carriage and barrel do look pretty cool. i imagine in its day this cannon looked pretty good and served its purpose. However when you see it in person i bet if i hit with a hammer it would fall into pieces. For sure the wood is pretty well rotted up.
 
What a friday cant believe we are playing identify the Cannon.

Ok Mystery Solved. Once i got out and went up to the cannon its mystery solved. The cannon is not OE. It has to be some type of hollywood movie prop as what was mentioned. The Whole entire barrel is made out of wood. The elongated slot that looks like a crack is actually the wood rotting. you can see into the wood all over it. The carriage and barrel do look pretty cool. i imagine in its day this cannon looked pretty good and served its purpose. However when you see it in person i bet if i hit with a hammer it would fall into pieces. For sure the wood is pretty well rotted up.
Didja offer the renters a few thousand for it? It might be famous... ya know? :D
 
It looks to be authentic enough even if it's not completely intact:

Common Weapons

The system of ordnance adopted by the U.S. Army in the 1840's was the picture of simplicity: six- and 12-pounder field guns, 12-, 24-, and 32-pounder field howitzers, 18- and 24-pounder siege and garrison guns, and 32- and 42-pounder sea-coast guns. To this were added columbiads and mortars. The principal modification to this system prior to the War was the substitution of the light 12-pounder as the field weapon of choice. However, this system was soon made obsolete by necessity and technology.

The Civil War required a sudden and massive mobilization of military resources. The immediate need for field artillery resulted in the use of a bewildering variety of pieces, ranging from superseded ordnance to modern experimental models imported from Great Britain. Amongst the array of Armstrongs, Blakelys, Wiards, and Whitworths, it is still possible to identify a relatively small number of makes and models of muzzle-loading cannon that served as the workhorses of the Civil War battlefield....

....Attempts to convert some of these guns to rifles, using the James system of rifling, had only marginal success. Some have also been converted to "false Napoleons" by the National Park Service, grinding off the moldings and the sharp discontinuity between the reinforce and the chase, and enlarging the last few inches of the bore. The result can be quite confusing for the battlefield tourist.

http://www.cwartillery.org/aguns.html
 
Total fake. It's a cast iron repro U.S. 6-pounder with seams from the mold still showing. Real 6 pounders are lathe-turned and bored from solid brass. The carriage is fake too and not a very good one. Hardware is poorly done with bent band iron and not hand-forged iron. The farm wheels rather than cannon carriage wheels are another giveaway.
 
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Sorry, didn't read the whole thread. The crack in the wood barrel looked like the seams you often see on cast iron replicas.
 
It's still an interesting project.
You'd think that the landowner would be issued an infraction or an order to move it for parking it so close to the fire hydrant for all of these years. :)
 
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