If asked, will the GOP change it's tune?

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So, the Dems are in charge of the House. Some say that the GOP has been taught a lesson. Have they? Do they or will they realize it? Will they change?

If all of us who are GOP supporters (read that as pro-gun and small-gov for this discussion) were to contact our Republican Senators, Representatives, party officials, and state politicians and tell them exactly why we think the GOP needs to change, will they listen and change?

My guess is that they will pay lip service to us via form letter replies and some minor cage rattling. The only people the Republicans listen to (other politicians included) are their own political advisors, pollsters, and lobbyists.

Both of the two major parties are so entrenched in their way of thinking that they are incapable of changing. Since that is what I believe, that is why I would choose to vote for a Libertarian candidate if available. Why continue to give control to the GOP, if they won't listen to their supporters?
 
Odds are that there will be many new faces among Republican candidates for the lost seats, come 2008. It could well be that not until 2010 or 2012 will there be any success, given the power of name-identification for incumbents.

There are a fair number of predictions for a serious downturn in the economy, during the next couple of years. Dunno. Possible, given what's happening in the housing markets. But it will all be blamed on Bush and the Republicans, which could then result in Dem control of both the Congress and the Administration.

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One of the Utah Republican winners interviewed last night was asked: "Do you see the Democrat gains nationally as a loud and clear message about a change of course"?

He replied "Uh, not really..."
 
One of the Utah Republican winners interviewed last night was asked: "Do you see the Democrat gains nationally as a loud and clear message about a change of course"?

He replied "Uh, not really..."
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They need to ask one of the Republicans that lost.
 
Super,

That's what I expect. Mainly because the losers want to downplay their losses. No one wants to stand up and say, "Damn, we got our butts kicked. We'd better get back in the huddle."

With that mindset shown to the public, will they keep the same mindset behind the scenes? My guess is, yes.
 
I doubt the Republicans will change anytime soon, they still believe there election loss was only about Iraq. There ass kickin was do mostly to a shift in politics in many rural states that where once considered Republican. I expect them to contuine to loose until they realise that Americans want moderates not right wing Idealogues.
 
I think many would argue the Republicans were not conservative enough, not that they were not moderate enough.
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Then why where the majority of the republican losses in the House considered conservative Republicans?
 
I don't have all the answers, no one does, not even those that are suppose to have them. However, I do believe that if the Republicans were more conservative, held to their base more, they would not have lost the House &/or Senate.

A few examples:

The Border.
Handling of Illegal aliens and this so called non-amnesty.
Sticking to their guns on conservative SCOTUS appointees.
Iraq. Whether it be right or wrong, many I know feel we didn't do enough, big enough, fast enough.

I could go on.........

There were a lot of Republican that didn't vote, voted libertarian or voted Democrat just to send a message because they are pissed off.
 
I wonder if it will matter ...

... after W and the Dems create millions of new Democrat voters by legalizing all of the illegal immigrants.
 
I wonder if it will matter ...
... after W and the Dems create millions of new Democrat voters by legalizing all of the illegal immigrants.
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I think that is one of the greatest miscalculations the Dems have made.

Most illegal immigrants are Mexicans ... lets look at many of these Mexicans for a minute...

  • They are devoutly Catholic.
  • They are hard working and entrepreneurial.
  • They have fled a country that is a borderline socialist police state.
  • They have a strong distrust for authority.
  • They like guns.
  • They embrace the concept of Machismo.

No sir, I don't see these people marching in lock step with the Democrats and supporting big government socialism in their lives, gun control, abortion, gay rights and feminism.

Granted there are problems with illegal immigration, but "more voters for Democrats" ain't it.
 
It does seem logical to a lot of us that many Hispanics will not necessarily vote overwhelmingly Dem, but don't count on logic.

Most voters rely on popular ideas (Hispanic vote Dem) and tradition. That's why the Dems are trying so hard to engrain the idea that Hispanics vote Dem. Say it long enough, and people start believing it. :mad: They're trying to make it like the African-American vote now: "you aren't voting black unless you're voting Democrat." Note how they insinuate that conservative black candidates aren't "black enough". They're trying to make it into an unthinking mindset.
 
Why on gods green earth would ANYONE continue to vote for most of the SAME republican congresspeople and senators? Telling them to change their spots and you'll re-elect them is not going to do it. You need to find the dozen staunchest RKBA voters and then dump the rest for new republican blood in the system.
 
It does seem logical to a lot of us that many Hispanics will not necessarily vote overwhelmingly Dem, but don't count on logic.

Most voters rely on popular ideas (Hispanic vote Dem) and tradition. That's why the Dems are trying so hard to engrain the idea that Hispanics vote Dem. Say it long enough, and people start believing it. They're trying to make it like the African-American vote now: "you aren't voting black unless you're voting Democrat." Note how they insinuate that conservative black candidates aren't "black enough". They're trying to make it into an unthinking mindset.
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Yep!

Just look at California!!!!

Read Pat Buchanan's latest book, State of Emergency.

In every presidential election since 1984 Hispanics have voted Democratic by 60-75%.

Immigrants have always skewed Democrat.
 
My husband grew up in Los Angeles and the illegal mexican's are mostly hardcore socialists. They are worst then the american socialist because they come to a foreign country and demand it gives them free healthcare etc.
 
Nothing is stoping it now. The dems control the house AND the senate, and Bush is already telling them he wants to see his awful amnesty bill again.
 
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Is it really that important who they are sponsored by?
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Yes, it is, because you are empowering the sponsoring organization and its leadership.

I'm from IN too, and most of our Democrats are relatively moderate. Doesn't matter, though: they have a (D) after their name, and when we elect them, it means that Pelosi becomes speaker and Conyers becomes chair of judiciary, so on and so forth right on down the line. Who controls the leadership of the House and Senate, and who controls the committees, is who controls the legislative agenda for the whole congress.

If you vote for your local Indiana Democrat, you are voting for the agenda of the Democratic party leadership - Kennedy, Schumer, Fienstein, Pelosi, Conyers, etc.
 
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/923kemje.asp

Read and weep. The Republicans are losing because Americans are become more moderate. States that once where solid Republican are now becomeing solid Democrat.

On the illegal immigration issue it seems that the tough talk by the Republicans scared a large % of Southwest Hispanics voters to the Democrat canidates.
Already the wails of the immigration restrictionists are rising, insisting Republicans lost because they weren't tough on keeping illegal border-crossers out. Not true. The test was in Arizona, where two of the noisiest border hawks, Representatives J.D. Hayworth and Randy Graf, lost House seats. Graf lost in a seat along the Mexican border, where illegal immigrants flock.

What Americans want is a full-blown solution to the immigration crisis. And that will come only when Republicans come together on a "comprehensive" measure that not only secures the border but also provides a way for illegals in the United States to work their way to citizenship and establishes a temporary worker program. If Republicans don't grab this issue, Democrats will.
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CBS,

Gee whiz, the very first paragraph says this:

THIS ONE IS PRETTY EASY TO EXPLAIN. Republicans lost the House and probably the Senate because of Iraq, corruption, and a record of taking up big issues and then doing nothing on them. Of these, the war was by far the biggest factor. Unpopular wars trump good economies and everything else. President Truman learned this in 1952, as did President Johnson in 1968. Now, it was President Bush's turn, and since his name wasn't on the ballot, his party took the hit.

Kinds of things I mentioned. Huh?

As for the states mentioned, they also have a high mexican population. I am not surprised at all by the outcome.
 
What Americans want is a full-blown solution to the immigration crisis. And that will come only when Republicans come together on a "comprehensive" measure that not only secures the border but also provides a way for illegals in the United States to work their way to citizenship and establishes a temporary worker program. If Republicans don't grab this issue, Democrats will.
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What Fred and others who blather on "comprehensive" solutions fail to understand is The Great Fedup simply does not trust either party to do what they say they will do. Amnesty is a non-starter out here in flyover country. We can not trust congress to do what anyone with commonsense thinks should be done. . . . .stop the inflow first, then sort out who is here, debate what needs to be done, then implement a legislative solution. To keep from being screwed by our own representative the Great Fedup said, "Stop the inflow first" then we'll move to the next step. We do not trust you to do it right therefore we will treat you like a child; one simple task at a time.
 
The myth of the model Mexican Republican never ceases to irk me. As has been pointed out in the thread already, Mexicans vote overwhelmingly Democratic in America and socialist in Mexico. There isn't some magic forcefield they pass through when crossing the Rio Grande that suddenly turns them into minimal government libertarians. They bring their ideas and their customs with them.

The American political landscape is based largely on the premise that laws are meaningful things. This makes sense seeing as how the people who founded America (and to a large extent still populate it) are of Germanic extraction. An almost boring tendency toward earnestness and Ordnung runs deep in us. We pay our taxes and don't carry concealed illegally because... well... because. That's how we think. It's what's expected of us and we behave accordingly. Therefore if we want to carry weapons and keep more of what we earn we vote for politicians we trust to advocate for those opinions.

Things are a little different south of the border. Illegal concealed carry is taken for granted, tax evasion is almost universal, bribery is part of the cost of doing business, etc. People in Mexico vote for whoever they trust to give them the largest handouts. Issues like taxation and RKBA take a backseat because a much looser relationship with the law is part of the national character. Restrictive legislation is only meaningful if you get caught. Comprende? This trend continues in America where many California Mexicans vote mostly for left Democrats while continuing to violate gun laws and pay only the taxes that are automatically deducted from their paychecks.

And yes--I understand that I'm speaking in generalities and that all rules have exceptions, but language and thought both depend on generalizations. If the mind or the language cannot apply characteristics to a thing, it cannot be thought or spoken about. So don't bother with that one.
 
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