If Bush wins... expect violence.

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The average American on either side of the fence is too apathetic to get of their butts to VOTE. I somehow don't think they will suddenly get a surge of energy to rage against the proverbial machine.

The problem with this is that the average American isn't on the fence anymore. He's far over to one side or the other.

I doubt there will be violence after the election. Liberals just don't strike me as the active, physical sort (excepting a few radical activists). I'd expect lots of screaming and gnashing of teeth, but no actual violence.



Although...
Current events:
- Computers stolen from Bush campaign office in Seattle
- Shots fired into Bush campaign office in Tennessee
- Protesters invade several Bush campaign offices in South Florida
- Prominent Republican/Bush campaign signs destroyed in Maryland, Arkansas, Nevada
And that's just within the last few days.

Does this strike anyone else as being awfully well coordinated??
 
[chant]CONDI CONDI CONDI[/chant]

2008 and I can't wait for the left to call her a token candidate.
Bush has picked up over twelve percent of the Black vote so far.
In fact the reason your hearing the Lib's screaming so much about accusing Republicans with voter fraud is the amount of Minorities that are starting to wake up to the Democrat 3 page play book. They can't understand how the minorities are finally learning and switching to the Republican party. Think how much it would hurt if Condi was the first Black Women to reach the Whitehouse and it was the Republicans that put her there. Folks there would be Democrat's jumping out of windows because it would be over for at least a generation before they ever saw any real power again.
 
Liberals just don't strike me as the active, physical sort (excepting a few radical activists). I'd expect lots of screaming and gnashing of teeth, but no actual violence.
'Member them dang hippie dippie radical types waaay back in '68 - '72 spouting peace and love, wearing love beads and flowers in their hair? 'Member burning campus buildings or riots on campus (awfully convenient way to get out of going to class)?

Get a group together with a focused hatred, a ringleader or three, throw in some form of timothy abdullah mcveigh who likes stirring up the poo or making things that go bang...
Then ya get a Governor that suspends the sale of all ammo and firearms for the duration...

Naaaahhh. Never happen here. Our liberals are way too wimpy, right? No Black Panthers or SDS anymore... right?

Besides that, we've got the Patriot Act and our local Police Forces protecting us. :D

Being prepared and staying away from hot spots is the key. A largish can of the pepper spray might be wise to have nearby (or several keychain types).

If Reginald Denny had used a firearm to ward off his concrete block toting assailant, he'd probably be a dead man today after the swarm of enraged Rodney King fans were done with him. If he lived he'd probably be charged with inciting a riot and mulitple murders and be serving several concurrent life terms. Maybe.

Always fun to speculate. Always good to shop early. Like Denfoote, you can always use any spare ammo over the next several years. (Don't know where you'd use up extra Fox Pepper spray tho')
 
Here's another one.

http://www.freep.com/news/politics/hijinks6e_20041006.htm

Citizens get into the mix of campaign clashing



October 6, 2004

BY CHRIS CHRISTOFF, DAWSON BELL AND PATRICIA MONTEMURRI
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

Full moon?

No, it's just a presidential campaign that had rival sides clashing Tuesday over free underwear for votes, rowdy trespassers at a Republican campaign office in Dearborn and rowdy Republicans at another office in Plymouth.

Maybe people are a little testy with President George W. Bush coming to town today.

First, Michigan Republicans called Tuesday for the prosecution of filmmaker Michael Moore for handing out free clean underwear and ramen noodles to college students who vote on Nov. 2. Moore even offered to clean students' dorms if they vowed to vote during his "Slacker Uprising Tour" at Michigan State University and other campuses in Michigan and around the country, where he exhorted crowds to oust Bush.

That amounts to bribery, said GOP executive director Greg McNeilly, who cited state law that prohibits exchanging anything of value in return for coaxing anyone to vote. McNeilly asked prosecutors in Wayne, Ingham and Isabella counties, where Moore made the offer, to prosecute.

"This is a serious question of the integrity of the election process," said state GOP spokesman Chris Paolino.

Ingham County Prosecutor Stuart Dunnings, a Democrat, could not be reached immediately for comment.

Neither could Moore.

Also Tuesday, a mob of up to 100 people stormed into a Republican campaign office in Dearborn, disrupting volunteer GOP workers until police quelled the disturbance.

Yvette Robinson, 28, director of the Dearborn Victory Center, said the intruders numbered 200 and arrived in three large buses plus cars. She said they swarmed into the building, surprising the campaign workers. Robinson said they chanted anti-Bush slogans and other chants, such as "Give us back our overtime."

Paolino said Republican campaign offices in several other states were similarly disrupted.

Dearborn police said they were called about 1 p.m. to the Michigan Republican Party's Dearborn Victory Center. Police issued two tickets to bus drivers for blocking traffic, said Dearborn Officer Chris Wenzara. Police estimated the crowd at between 50 and 100.

Rodell Mollineau, spokesman for Sen. John Kerry's campaign in Michigan, said he knew nothing of the intrusion and questioned whether the protesters were Kerry supporters.

"I can tell you this, if we were going to stage a protest, you would have known about it," Mollineau said.

Finally, in Plymouth, a Kerry backer claimed he was harassed by the Bush campaign when he scored a free ticket to Bush's appearance today.

Ryan Secord said staffers for the Bush-Cheney campaign office in Plymouth blocked his car Tuesday and demanded that he return a ticket he obtained moments earlier for Bush's address to students at Oakland Community College.

Secord, 18, a Schoolcraft Community College student from Northville, was wearing a button on his pants supporting Kerry when he went to the GOP office.

Nobody questioned him inside, he said, even after he told a staffer taking his name and phone number that he didn't want any calls from the GOP because he wasn't likely to vote for Bush.

Secord said when he tried to leave the parking lot, four men stood behind his car. He said he was told he couldn't leave unless he gave back his ticket. Secord said he wouldn't.

John Truscott, a spokesman for the Michigan Bush-Cheney campaign, called the Plymouth incident "unfortunate" and said volunteers probably "were a lot more sensitive" because of what had happened in Dearborn and other centers Tuesday afternoon. Truscott and Paolino said the Bush rally today was aimed at supporters and volunteers. Later, Truscott said national Bush campaign officials said the event should be open to anyone who obtained a ticket.

Weird enough yet?

Well, one last thing. Michigan's Canadian-born Gov. Jennifer Granholm can aspire to the White House if legislation introduced Tuesday by U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, ultimately changes the U.S. Constitution to allow the foreign born like Granholm and Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for president.
 
I remember when there WAS violence over political issues in this country.

I was in Chicago in 1968, and sucked in more than my fair share of tear gas.

The so called left is FAR less cohesive, organized, or dedicated than it was in the 1960s.

Most of these infants today would wet their pants if they faced what went on in Chicago during the Democratic National Convention, or in dozens of other places in the late 1960s or early 1970s.

They talk, no whine, about how violent police are in dealing with them today, how their rights are violated, how they are beaten.

Whenever I hear that I only think back to Chicago and laugh.
 
(rant on) Click!

i get a kick out of this, bush is a poor public speaker so that automatically makes him a moron?

this is a vibe ive been getting from a lot of folks latley, aparently the way you speak is a good measure of the level of your intellegence. I suppose the same could be said for the way people spell.

So look out, if you stutter or pause to think your an idiot! run for the hills!

(Rant off)clack!
 
This whole political situation saddens me. I mean, people are so blinded that they are willing to cause violence, and don’t really even know why. I mean how oxymoronic is it that people will take American lives and hurt American infrastructure to protest a president whom is defending the country against a threat half the world away? How does this help the cause? In the same right, people whine about being victimized and never realize that they are enabling it to happen. If this violence does take place, it will be because people don’t realize there are repercussions for their actions. Furthermore, that to escalate this to a violent standpoint will only serve to strengthen the things they are fighting against.

Some people in this country have become so accustomed to being fed the simple answer that they are unable to see how it fits into the bigger picture. It’s a scary situation: a mob mentality. They don’t truly realize what violence is, and what it does. However, if someone tries to harm my family to further their political goals they will have a very real sense of what repercussions violence entails.
 
... bush is a poor public speaker so that automatically makes him a moron?
It seems to me that Moses had the same problem--he wasn't much of a public speaker. So the Lord gave him Aaron to be his spokesman.

You don't need to be a great public speaker to accomplish miracles.
 
If Reginald Denny had used a firearm to ward off his concrete block toting assailant, he'd probably be a dead man today after the swarm of enraged Rodney King fans were done with him. If he lived he'd probably be charged with inciting a riot and mulitple murders and be serving several concurrent life terms. Maybe.

If Reginald Denny had just kept driving his truck he would be just fine today.

Pilgrim
 
heh. Bring it on.

My sentiments exactly. I don't look for trouble, and I've opted to express my political opinion on my jacket, my car, and in front of my house. If someone sees fit to express their opinion to me with violence.....I'm prepared for that.
 
This thread just makes me laugh. There won't be any violence coming from the left. They are firmly on the road to world peace and diversity. These attacks must be frank lies, or staged by the violent right. We must go to the U.N. and obtain a resolution which condemns political violence within the United States and installs Jimmy Carter as U.N. monitor. Should we find that violence actually takes place, we should then form a coalition of the enlightened and demand that the violence end. If that doesn't work, then the U.N. should form a Super-Coalition to insist that violence end. It is only through global cooperation that we can learn to get along and appreciate peace.
 
Bush did so poorly in his first debate that I'm having second thoughts about voting for him. He would make a poor poster child for Harvard, which is the university he graduated from. I bet he had several full time tutors! The guy must have the IQ of 90! Dick is the one we should have nominated for President.

Granted, Cheney is a much better, quicker, thinker & speaker - but that doesn't mean Bush is an idiot.

I'm so tired of this argument, I'll just copy & paste from my blog:

Intro:
We keep hearing conflicting stories about how Bush is so dumb he can't find America on a map, but on the other hand he's an evil genius with plans for world domination - so which is it?

Facts:
Scored 1206 on the SATs (566/640), adjusted to 1280 by current standards.
IQ calculation would put him above 120 (top 10% of distribution).
2.35 GPA at Yale, studying [history or economics? I'm seeing different answers]
Earned an MBA from Harvard Business School.
Only President to have earned an MBA.

Comparison:
Al Gore was a C student at Harvard University, dropped out of Vanderbilt Law School and was a failure at Venderbilt Divinity School.
Colin Powell was a D student at CUNY.

Corollary - Bush's sub-par scores for Pilot exam:

"Bush's other published scores are from the Air Force officer test he took when he applied to join the Air National Guard. The Dallas Morning News reported on July 4, 1999, that Bush's "score on the pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers."

Gottfredson pointed out, though, that officer applicants are a relatively elite group, so that's much better than the 25th percentile among the whole population. Further, this subtest focused on spatial questions that don't come up regularly in the Oval Office, such as "identifying the angle of a plane in flight ... and figuring out which way a gear in a machine would turn in response to another gear's being turned."

In contrast, the Morning News recounted, "On the 'officer quality section,' designed to measure intangible traits such as leadership, Mr. Bush scored better than 95 percent of those taking the test."

Gottfredson commented, "What do you want in a president -- spatial ability or leadership?"

Sources:
http://www.georgebush.com/Bios/GeorgeWBush.aspx
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040114-074349-3947r
 
"spatial ability or leadership"

Bill Clinton showed that he had spatial ability.

He was able to fit the round cigar in the... uh... never mind.
 
funny...

There was an assault by "union" workers on GOP headquarters here in Orlando yesterday as well. Broke a workers wrist.
Funny, the story is no longer on the local6.com web site. Google News only gives 14 hits and all the site requite registration except the washington time which doesn't mention anything except that there was a protest...no mention of them storming the offices.
 
We shall be assailed by pamphlets!

First, George Bush isn't a good speaker in a formal situation. The first debate was as dry as they come. The second one will be much looser, with audience members asking the questions. Dubya is much better in that kind of room, whereas Kerry's "Man of the People" act will probably fall flat.



As for violence, we'll have plenty of warning. Here's why:

1. Bush Wins. Democratic and Lefty orgs will immediately challenge the results in courts.

2. Various interests will make a call for immediate action, lawyers be damned!

3. The various factions, realizing that a mass act would sway the public, will call for a meeting to best determine by consensus the format of the action.

4. A committee will be formed to determine the format of the meetings.

5. Several factions, unwilling to ratify the format, will break off and seek to start their own, purer movement.

6. The first group, having established the rules of the format, including gender-specific grammatics, proper inclusion of diversity concerns, and the providing of vegan snacks, will seek to issue the Statement of Intent.....





:rolleyes:
 
"Northern Virginians seem to think that all of us from the Deep South are crazy."

They think we'uns in Richmond are crazy too, but they're the ones stuck in traffic on the Beltway sucking exhaust fumes.

John
 
Bush did so poorly in his first debate that I'm having second thoughts about voting for him. - telewinz

I too would prefer a President to seem presidential, but vulnerability to debate impressions would mean you knew very little beforehand and that form was more important than substance.
 
While Bush doesn't manage to give off that 'statesman aura', the way I'm sure many wish he did, even if he was drooling on himself during the debate I wouldn't vote for Kerry.

Kerry is the most despicable human being I can remember having the pleasure to vote against.

- Gabe
 
It's a sad day when Americans choose a person who speaks bad ideas fluently over someone who presents good ideas less fluently...

Take another look at the realities and the content...not the presentation.:(
 
"They think we'uns in Richmond are crazy too, but they're the ones stuck in traffic on the Beltway sucking exhaust fumes."

Not all of us...

I've not touched the Beltway for a morning commute for nearly 15 years.

Some of the other roads that I take, however?

Yow...
 
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