If no Grandfather Clause. Are you giving up your AK/ARs?
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Jorg Nysgerrig
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Jeeze, how many of these ludicrous "Will you give up your gun?" threads do we need?
Every single time the thread is a same. Most of the posters mumble something about "cold dead hands" or "molon labe" then go right back to watching their TVs.
Every single time the thread is a same. Most of the posters mumble something about "cold dead hands" or "molon labe" then go right back to watching their TVs.
carnaby
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Answer to question: NO.
crashm1
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+3
That's what I plan to do. If that doesn't work then the 5th amendment and some cosmoline.
That's what I plan to do. If that doesn't work then the 5th amendment and some cosmoline.
Eightball
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Ever hear of the Constitutional provision that Congress shall pass no ex post facto law? There has to be an allowance of grandfathering, or you could get the whole thing thrown out in the supreme court due to direct violation of the constitution. If I wasn't studying for a constitution final on specific points, I'd give you the clause, but I'm sure it's in article 1.
I havent seen too many of these being passed lately. Chicago, Denver, California.. etc didnt pass any grandfather. Pure ban.
Oh and thanks for all the information to everyone who participated. I do stand for the laws of this country as I have defended them with my life. What I dont like are those making the laws with such brazen irresponsibility.
What I have heard on talk radio (liberal talk radio) was that there is a major shift of support in the Brady campaign to move the weapons into extermination under an "anti-terrorist" flagship which is what they are advocating on their website. This is so sad.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Criminal prohibition of current use of a firearm would not be an ex post facto law. To use an example, if Congress passes a law prohibiting possession of Ford Mustangs, that is not an ex post facto law because Congress isn't punishing you for past behavior. They are punishing you for your current behavior (owning a Ford Mustang after the law had passed).
An ex post facto law would be if Congress passed a law that said that anyone who had ever possessed (past tense) a Ford Mustang was a criminal. It is a minor distinction; but an important one for your finals.
carnaby
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One of the worst problems with a new AWB, and we all know this, is that should one pass, there will be no sunset clause, and the level of difficulty to undo the law in the future will be extreme. Allowing AWB II to pass is not an option. If Parker/Heller goes our way AND an AWB II passes, I foresee more than one challenge on 2A grounds. I don't foresee the outcomes.
Gun owners should not have to live like this, not in America.
Gun owners should not have to live like this, not in America.
RedLion
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Sure they can take my gun from me. They will take it from my lifeless hands and there will be no more ammo in it!!!! 
"...He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36
"...He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus, Luke 22:36
SoCalShooter
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Same answer as a few others..hell no.
annielulu
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What about the millions of future law abiding citizenry that would be precluded from such purchase should the ban as mentioned take effect.
Not only should we be concerned with owning such firearms at present, it is our duty as responsible citizens to make sure anyone after the election would be able to make a first purchase of these weapons.
Gun control should not go against us law abiding folks. Gun control should focus on controlling the bad guys.
Strict mandatory sentences, ENFORCED, for anyone commiting a firearm related crime is what we need.
I say lock up the bad guys, let them work on chain gangs or something while doing their time.
We need to express our views by voting in the firearm advocates. Tell everyone, friends, relatives, etc. to vote pro gun. Join the NRA and other pro gun groups, work, volunteer, etc.
If we don't stand up for our firearm rights, who will?????
Not only should we be concerned with owning such firearms at present, it is our duty as responsible citizens to make sure anyone after the election would be able to make a first purchase of these weapons.
Gun control should not go against us law abiding folks. Gun control should focus on controlling the bad guys.
Strict mandatory sentences, ENFORCED, for anyone commiting a firearm related crime is what we need.
I say lock up the bad guys, let them work on chain gangs or something while doing their time.
We need to express our views by voting in the firearm advocates. Tell everyone, friends, relatives, etc. to vote pro gun. Join the NRA and other pro gun groups, work, volunteer, etc.
If we don't stand up for our firearm rights, who will?????
Folks, Gun Control is a proven non-starter for Politicians and the Dems have lost more than a few elections because of this issue.
Heller v DC is going to in part help determine what direction some of this legislation goes in because ONE of the core issues that it is addressing is the outright ban of CLASSES of firearms (handguns).
Should SCOTUS essentially reiterate what the appellate court decided then the chances of an AWB being clearly accepted as UnConstitutional increase greatly.
Now is the time to continue to remind these critters in office that you will not stand for any anti 2a measures and make it clear that you are watching how they vote....you really need to ride your reps folks, I cannot reiterate that enough....I'm talking about a brief WEEKLY phone call followed up by monthly letter/e-mail that is well written, not overtly hostile but VERY firm.
Heller v DC is going to in part help determine what direction some of this legislation goes in because ONE of the core issues that it is addressing is the outright ban of CLASSES of firearms (handguns).
Should SCOTUS essentially reiterate what the appellate court decided then the chances of an AWB being clearly accepted as UnConstitutional increase greatly.
Now is the time to continue to remind these critters in office that you will not stand for any anti 2a measures and make it clear that you are watching how they vote....you really need to ride your reps folks, I cannot reiterate that enough....I'm talking about a brief WEEKLY phone call followed up by monthly letter/e-mail that is well written, not overtly hostile but VERY firm.
crazed_ss
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Not true.. under CA's AW ban, people who owned them before the ban were given a grace period to register them with the state.
Joe Demko
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This thread is an invitation to chest thump, but such threads usually sound more like "fap fap fap" than "thump thump thump".
joab
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Yes, many
How will you resist?
Will you stand and fight or just say "Guns, what guns"?
Will you pledge your life, your fortune and your sacred honor to the fight or will you make a show and back down when it gets hairy?
Will you really shoot those coming through the door or just lock yourself in your house till the media gets there or the food runs out?
How far does your No go?
I suspect that most of us will just turn our guns in as we are yelling about how they can't make us turn our guns in
Or we will deprive our own selves of our guns by burying them in the back yard
There will be a few that will make a stand, until they can negotiate a surrender, but the majority will bleat along like we always have
The rules of this board are a testament to that
Bring up the subject of how to build a silencer and see how quick it gets shut down
joab
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If I may
The 94 ban allowed for grandfathering but it was still the most extensive ban in our history, it didn't work
By all accounts the desired effects were minimal at best
The forward thinking socialist will undoubtedly surmise that the next one will have to be stronger if it is to work and that grandfathering only serves to undermine the good intentions of their law
If you think that Hillary is the only threat you need to check the backgrounds of the forerunners
There are only two that we can assume will diligently protect the 2nd amendment and right now neither one has a chance in hell of winning
Kingcreek
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I thought this through many years ago and made my decision then. I am older and I have more to lose now but my response will be the same.
No chest thumping- saving the energy and the ammo and hoping I don't need to use it.
No chest thumping- saving the energy and the ammo and hoping I don't need to use it.
Deanimator
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I'm not registering or giving up anything.
You extrapolate from there.
You extrapolate from there.
Rich K
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Not just no, but HELL NO!
ShunZu
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+1
Gunnerpalace
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Joab you are right,
Reminds me of a poll we had under the surmise of "would you fight back when they showed up to take your guns". It was overwhelmingly NO I think only 9% or so said YES. The same thing that happened in the UK when they banned will probably happen here, that is of course sad to say.
Reminds me of a poll we had under the surmise of "would you fight back when they showed up to take your guns". It was overwhelmingly NO I think only 9% or so said YES. The same thing that happened in the UK when they banned will probably happen here, that is of course sad to say.
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