If someone built a revolver chambered for the 9 X 18 Makarov...

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(using "moon" clips for headspacing) would it be able to shoot the .38 S&W Cartridge? The ill-fated 9mm Federal had that abilty and also had the same bullet diameter. (.360"-.361") Would that be a viable option for the people that want to shoot the 9 X 18 Mak in a revolver?

Just an errant thought.

Scott
 
I don't know the answer, but I don't see the point. The ballistics of 9x18 out of a vented barrel don't see like they'd be that impressive, plus you'd have to use moonclips. Hardly seems worth the trouble.

jmm
 
Moon clips are a good thing if the clip is a good design.

The 9x18 basically, ballistically, is a .38 special +P. It' be a desirable revolver in an alloy design IMHO, something you can't do with the parabellum round except with expensive scandium or titanium.

However, would it sell? Moon clip revolvers seem not to be so popular. An odd caliber would flop, I reckon, worse than the 9x19s have.

As to the original question of ammo, I doubt you could possibly fire a rimmed standard cartridge in a moon clip caliber due to inadequate rim thickness. The .45 autorim has a very thick head to take up the space required for using the moon clips in a .45 ACP revolver. Even if the rim thickness were good, the .38 head spaces on the rim and I think it is longer than 18mm. A 9x18 revolver would have ridges in the cylinder chambers for it to headspace on the front of the rim. So, I say, NO, it wouldn't interchange, but that's pure speculation based on what I do know about the two cartridges.

According to my quick calculations, the 9x18 is .708" case length and my Speer #8 manual says the .38 S&W case length is .773", so the .38 case is longer than the Mak round, which means it wouldn't work even if the case diameter, .380" for the .38 round, were the same. I don't have any info on the case diameter of the Mak round. Of course, your premise is to use the moon clips for head spacing, but I still think the rim thickness of the .38 case would kill that idea.
 
Thanks, McGunner. I guess that the best we can do in the "ultra-small" frame revolvers to the 9mm/.380 ACP concept. I am just "brainstorming".

Scott
 
The major problem here is that the common/popular 9mm cartridge (9 x 19mm Luger) is tapered and larger at the base then other straight-wall cartridges. Using clips, .380 rounds could be fired out of a .38 Super chamber, but beyond that not too many options are open.
 
Someone already does.
The Commonwealth of Independent States,(Russian), manufacturers, Kovrov Mechanical Plant, Rosoboronexport, Kaspex, and KBP Insturment Design Bureau of Tula, all produce 9X18 Makarov caliber revolvers for Security Forces.
All of these designs use a five or six shot cylinder and can function as double or single action.

All of these handguns use full moon type clips to hold the cartridges and facilitate speed reloading.

Some of the guns can be ordered in .380acp, mainly in the interest of potential export, and none can use either cartridge interchangably in one firearm.

None of these revolvers will function with .38 Smith and Wesson cartridges either because the headspace and bullet diameters are completely different between the two cartridges.

Even the fabled and rare 'Medusa' multicaliber revolver will not function with 9X18 cartridges because the overall diameter is larger than any of the .354/ .357 bullet diameter cartridges the Medusa is designed to fire. HTH
 
I know some of you are wondering about MIM parts on this jewel. Rest assured, they are made the old-fashioned way - each part is carefully beaten into shape on an anvil by skilled craftsmen.
 
So that's what happens when a Mak and an I-frame mate.
Next time condoms should be used.
 
Those revolving pistols may be Russian made, but that is definitely a Glock design and I am a Glock fan!
 
That R-92 is horrifically ugly. I love it!

I bet the recoil is very mild, given how high up on the frame one grips it and the fact that it weighs 18 ounces.
 
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