If you are a member of a police assoc. or org. you've probably been sold out

[Shadow 7D]

https://news.google.com/news/story?...a=X&ei=rOsRUM_9JeiaiQLoqYHABA&ved=0CC0QqgIwAA
http://www.joycefdn.org/working-together-to-prevent-gun-violence/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ence-stop-hiding-behind-the-second-amendment/
If you are a member of the following ORG or Assoc
you've sold out to the Joyce Foundations and the Brady camp

The National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence is comprised of:

Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc.
Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association
International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators
International Association of Chiefs of Police
Major Cities Chiefs Association
National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives
National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives
Police Executive Research Forum
Police Foundation

Me again. I doubt you made it this far, but it’s interesting that the National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence doesn’t have its own website. There is a pdf at ceasefireoregon.org listing the above agencies and that’s about it. How about some transparency here guys?

 

[gunnutery]

That's exactly why I've never joined one. There is only one .org that I can think of that has been fairly pro-gun but can't remember which one. For all I know it's one listed above that just recently caved. There aren't many officers in general that are pro-gun, even if they're not outright anti, they get really nervous with the thought of new pro carry laws. I can even think of some gun enthusiast officers that don't trust the general public.

 

[Three Gun Ken]

@nuttery,
Don't trust cops on gun issues. If the Mayor told the police force in any American city to surround some neighborhood and then go house to house and collect up all the guns and ammo, 99 percent of those officers would go right out and do it. A few might grumble, but they'd still do it. Bottom line: "Put not your trust in princes, nor in [any] son of man, in whom there is no help."[Psalm 146:3] Nor should you put it in cops, bureaucrats, politicians, and supreme court justices either.

 

[303tom]

@nuttery,
Don't trust cops on gun issues. If the Mayor told the police force in any American city to surround some neighborhood and then go house to house and collect up all the guns and ammo, 99 percent of those officers would go right out and do it. A few might grumble, but they'd still do it. Bottom line: "Put not your trust in princes, nor in [any] son of man, in whom there is no help."[Psalm 146:3] Nor should you put it in cops, bureaucrats, politicians, and supreme court justices either.

Amen.............

 

[dogtown tom]

Nothing to lose sleep over.......

Shadow 7D.....

Quote:
The National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence is comprised of:

Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies, Inc.
Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association
International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators
International Association of Chiefs of Police
Major Cities Chiefs Association
National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives
National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives
Police Executive Research Forum
Police Foundation

I would bet a box of Remington Golden .22's that those are "ghost organizations".........meaning they exist only on paper, in the cyberworld or most likely in the mind of whoever said they were part of the NLEPPGV.

I give it little creedence.

 

[splithoof]

Three Gun Ken, my thoughts EXACTLY. While many are well meaning, few will sacrifice their pension and incomes to uphold the rights of a common citizen. At the end of the shift, they will go home to play with their kids like everyone else, and not worry about what happened at work that day.

 

[rcmodel]

The International Association of Chiefs of Police have been siding with the Brady Bunch since the 1968 GCA came about.

Believe me, it is a very real organization, with very real membership, including most police chiefs in most major U.S. cities.

rc

 

[alsaqr]

i will not vote for a cop in the annual election of the NRA board of directors. NRA board member Texas Ranger Joaquin Jackson told a newsie:

http://www.firearmscoalition.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=29

"I think these assault weapons basically need to be in the hands of the military and they need to be in the hands of the police, but as far as assault weapons to a civilian, if you… if you… it's alright if you got that magazine capacity down to five rounds."

Yep, the NRA membership re-elected Jackson to the NRA board.

i still remember the head of the FOP standing in the white house Rose Garden alongside Sarah Brady and Bill Clinton.

 

[Kevin Rohrer]

Those groups are comprised of people who no longer do police work. The vast majority of working police officers do not support gun laws.

 

[12131]

Those groups are comprised of people who no longer do police work. The vast majority of working police officers do not support gun laws.

I read this statement being written a lot on the net. While I would like for it to be true, anyone have any actual data / poll numbers to support it? Or, it's just anecdotal evidence, or folks just repeating what they read? Thanks.

 

[1911Tuner]

The vast majority of working police officers do not support gun laws.

But they'd surround an area and go door-to-door taking the guns and ammo regardless of their feelings.

When you've got a wife and 2.3 kids, a mortgage, two car payments, and the remnants of a student loan...and the bossman says to go through the door...you'll go through the door.

 

[The Man With No Name]

But they'd surround an area and go door-to-door taking the guns and ammo regardless of their feelings.

When you've got a wife and 2.3 kids, a mortgage, two car payments, and the remnants of a student loan...and the bossman says to go through the door...you'll go through the door.

Since you are in NC and I assume a police officer then you know that an officer does not have to follow any command that requires him to break the law. The only way officers will be seizing guns like this is if the gun owning public lets things get out of control by their lack of activism.

This thread is about the anti gun rights activism of certain organizations or is it an anti-cop bashing thread?

 

[EddieNFL]

The only way officers will be seizing guns like this is if the gun owning public lets things get out of control by their lack of activism.

So, if the gun owning public become totally apathetic, cops will obey unconstitutional commands?

 

[The Man With No Name]

So, if the gun owning public become totally apathetic, cops will obey unconstitutional commands?

Cops will obey the law. If they can't then they will quit if their conscience dictates that. I really love how this hypothetical scenario is an excuse for some to attack the hypothetical actions of the police.

 

[rcmodel]

you know that an officer does not have to follow any command that requires him to break the law.

Cops will obey the law.

Tell that to the law abiding gun owners of New Orleans LA or Greensberg KS and see if they agree with you.

rc

 

[krupparms]

I hate to see this turn into a cop bash. As a former LEO I can understand the citizens feelings.We have P.O.s breaking the law &bragging about it in the local paper! Saying how they will do it again &pay the fine! There are about 18 lawsuits against the local PD for major civil rights violations which show a pattern to break the law! With things like this takeing place &good LEOs quitting instead of arresting the bad LEOs what are citizens to believe? I know I feel sold out.

 

[FMF Doc]

I love cops, and have a wonderful working relationship with most. As a paramedic, they have saved my butt on more that one occation, and I have returned the favor a few time as well. But, when I take that uniform off, put on a pair of Wranglers and my Glock, I all of a sudden become a bad guy just waiting to act up. All to often it seems that their badge and gun go to their head and the forget they are PUBLIC SERVANTS!

 

[gunnutery]

Three Gun Ken, I was kind of trying to suggest that I don't trust LEOs, and I am one. I can tell you that there are still some good officers out there that would not obey commands to confiscate because they know Constitutional law. But even though they know peoples rights it doesn't mean they trust anyone with those rights.

It's unfortunate that guys can get so hardened, but when you deal with the BGs more than GGs, some people forget there's still trustworthy people out there.

 

[PBR Streetgang]

Being a retired LEO myself ,I can tell you most cops out there today don't know the gun laws let alone have a opinion on the 2nd amendment.Most cops aren't gun people.

If I knew you ( yes, I knew most of the people on my beat) and was ordered to confiscate your guns I'd knock on your door, say hello and ask you" if I remembered correctly,last year you gave all your guns to your cousin out of state didn't you?" Hopefully you would agree with me and I'd go on my way.
BTW,,,have you ever heard of a group called the Oathkeepers? Look it up, there are more of us than you think.
I'd be more worried of the military coming door to door before the police.Military people are polled on this question more frequently than you know.

was Iraq about freedom or just practice for the prelude of what might be to come?

 

[dc.fireman]

Tell that to the law abiding gun owners of New Orleans LA or Greensberg KS and see if they agree with you.

rc

This is one time where I will agree to disagree with you, rc - a sworn/uniformed soldier, sailor, Marine, airman, police officer, or fireman is just that - 'Sworn' - as in 'sworn to uphold, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. With the political SNAFU going on with my employer lately, I have witnessed many members, both cops & firemen refusing to obey 'unlawful orders', which we have every right to do.

 

[barnbwt]

I really love how this hypothetical scenario is an excuse for some to attack the hypothetical actions of the police.

It's not a "cop bash"; as a private citizen, if my civil liberties were to be violated by force, it would probably be at the hands of law enforcement. Simply because there's not a giant military base next door, but a precinct.

I hold in highest esteem any officer of the law or military who asserts they would refuse to follow unconstitutional orders. Even more those who actually excercise this inherent freedom. There is hardly a nobler purpose. But a large portion of people will make the wrong choice under sufficient pressure (see any scandal in any organization). Even more aren't constitutional scholars with firm, well-defined principles to guide them in these decisions. I know I'd have a hard time walking away from my career if I was forced to submit a design I felt was "only slightly" unsafe. I like to think I'll always make the right decision. Police have enormous responsiblilty, thus immense power. It is only proper We the People keep an eye on their motives...Not a few Texas towns have had to expell/arrest their entire local department over the years when things "got out of hand."

I am relieved to see police on the forum here support my(our) God-given rights. What worries me are the all-too frequent statements from (typically city-level) officers calling for various bans and restrictions. The self-serving argument they make is that trampling everyone's Constitution in exchange for the chance at making some cops' jobs a bit safer is a worthy trade. Bloomberg (not a policeman-officer, but "speaking for you") said as much in his recommendation that police strike until criminals agree to meet their work-safety demands.
In practice, the goal has been even more crass; ban some guns to make a "gun crime" statistic drop(briefly), so an elected official can take credit for "reducing" crime (before anyone notices the other crime stats).

TCB

*a far better preventative for any abuse would be to simply teach a half-decent Civics course in Middle School. I know I never had to take a civics (or ethics) course until my Senior year in College.

 

[gunnutery]

What worries me are the all-too frequent statements from (typically city-level) officers calling for various bans and restrictions. The self-serving argument they make is that trampling everyone's Constitution in exchange for the chance at making some cops' jobs a bit safer is a worthy trade.

Well said Barnbwt, their rationale is really one of selfishness. They fear guns being used against them (no matter who it is that has the gun) and want to go home at the end of each shift. The thing they overlook is that EVERYONE wants to go home.

 

[1911Tuner]

Since you are in NC and I assume a police officer then you know that an officer does not have to follow any command that requires him to break the law.

Not a cop, sorry...but if you really believe that they'll ignore illegal orders from on high, I refer you to New Orleans in the days following Katrina.

Would you sacrifice your career, your hard-earned pension, and toss your family's future under the bus over a stranger's guns?

Didn't think so.

Two or three out of a hundred might refuse to follow that order. The rest will go through the door.

 

[HOOfan_1]

Two or three out of a hundred might refuse to follow that order. The rest will go through the door.

We have a Constitution and Bill of Rights to give the Government and its officers a guideline to follow.

We have arms to make sure they follow it.

Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them -Duke Leto Ateides written by Frank Herbert

 

[J_McLeod]

I'd be more worried of the military coming door to door before the police.Military people are polled on this question more frequently than you know.

was Iraq about freedom or just practice for the prelude of what might be to come?

I've been in for ten years and I've never been polled on that question or anything close to it. Judging the by this thread, a lot more soldiers are gun people than cops. I'd be willing to guess that a good portion of the military are gun people, especially the combat arms soldiers.