chicharrones
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Winter is coming. I should be able to pull this off on a few occasions again.
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If you carry bigger than a pocket gun, what method of concealment?
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Sovblocgunfan
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I carry mostly OWB with untucked shirt. It works well for me.
i will also carry one particular gun IWB with untucked shirt and also pocket carry occasionally.
i will also carry one particular gun IWB with untucked shirt and also pocket carry occasionally.
I make my own holsters to my own design and usually carry an M1911 in a tuckable holster. But I recently got an El Paso Saddlery pancake style holster (#88) for my Colt New Service and have been carrying that under an untucked shirt.
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I agree. I have a friend who carries a subcompact Springfield XD, AIWB in some deep concealment rig. We ran some drills, both starting squared off to a target about ten feet away. We'd both draw at the buzzer. Now I am not Jerry Miculek, but I was still able to brush aside my cover garment, draw, and put five full power 10mms center of mass before he was able to even get his pistol out of its holster. It wasn't even close. I kept asking him what the purpose of carrying a handgun was if you couldn't draw it before taking five rounds to the chest. He didn't really have an answer for that. I did notice he has started carrying his HK USP45 strongside OWB more often though...
I am 6'6". I have big hands. I don't like the thin, narrow little spatula grips they give subcompacts, I don't like having fingers hanging off the bottom of the grip, I don't like having fingers wrapping around the front of the slide. Subcompacts end up feeling awkward, flimsy, and unsafe. I feel like I spend more time making sure I am not going to shoot the end of a finger off or get my hand caught up in the slide than I do focusing on the front sight. Subcompacts are not comfortable or comforting and I feel like they exist only for people who don't really like guns, don't really want to carry, and mostly feel like it is an inconvenience they do out of a sense of obligation. I will happily strap two pounds of full size Glock on my hip because I feel like my defense is not just an obligation and if I ever have to use my handgun to defend myself, I want it to be big enough to shoot well and accessible enough to get into the fight. No subcompacts or deep concealment for me because it defeats the purpose.
JR24
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Used to carry, on occasion, a 4" Redhawk .44 mag under a t-shirt and flannel (unbuttoned) when I was in Alaska. Used a Simply Rugged Cuda, worked fine.
Curious if you happened to have timed these competitions? I just can't get to a 3 o'clock under a jacket or shirt as fast as I can get to a quasi AIWB (I'm closer to 1 o'clock than straight drop). Something like 1.7 seconds to get on target at 7 or 10 yards (3 x 5 note card) vs 1.4 or so AIWB, just better economy of motion.
Granted, I dont go smaller than a Glock 19, don't like little guns.
MTMilitiaman
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Sorry, didn't time it. I am guessing I am right around 2 seconds from concealment. He didn't carry standard appendix. His rig was a stupid underwear looking thing that kept pistol all the way down in the crotch. His draw stroke looked like he was reaching his hand to about midway up his forearm down his pants to scratch at his junk, and because he wore a belt, he had to loosen his belt first. It was ridiculous to watch. I kept asking him what the point was, because he was always bragging about how effective this concealment rig was at hiding his tiny little pistol, and I was like "but if the fight is over and you're dead before you can get to it..." This competition was specifically to point out how slow it actually was, because he kept insisting it would be "fast enough." And I kept insisting that I was no quick draw expert and had never considered handguns to be my strong point, but I knew for a fact that I could draw and put multiple, multiple rounds on him in the amount of time it took him to draw and present. So the next time we were at the range, I set up a target, told him "that is me and we were standing about a car's length apart in a parking lot arguing and I decide to pull a gun on you. We both draw on your signal..." In this fictional exercise, we were both stuck between two vehicles arguing in a parking lot so there was no lateral movement. The first rounds, under either of us could theoretically back up from between the vehicles, would be quick draw style standing straight in front of each other. And I repeatedly demonstrated how asinine it is to sacrifice that much accessibility for discretion. And like I said, he now carries a fullsize HK USP strongside OWB. I am okay giving up a quarter of a second on my draw stroke to not have a gun pointed at my junk 24/7. You can do whatever. It's your junk...
JR24
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Fair enough, that sounds like an awful rig.
As for junk and guns pointing at them, my setup (1 o'clock, forward cant) draws a bit slower than true appendix but points the gun along the outside of my hip, not actually at any part of my anatomy, and is much more comfortable for me and conceals best on my body style.
Posture and slight love handles make 4 or 5 o'clock stand out like an artillery cannon, and 3 o'clock doesn't quite conceal as well, and is a bit slower. Also less comfortable when sitting, for me.
WheelGunMan
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I'm retired, so there is almost never a reason to tuck in my shirt.
chicharrones
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Never need to wear Marry 'Em and Bury 'Em clothing?
Being anti-social helps.
I actually don't own any formal type clothing anymore, no dress shirts, no ties, got rid of all of it a couple years ago.
My boys are teens, should be no weddings for at least a decade; then I'll encourage a casual ceremony on the beach.
A sport jacket or suit coat is as good as a shirt-tail.
chicharrones
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Until you get into get into a quick jog and realize your jacket isn't buttoned. The wind created blows away the curtain of the Great Oz. I've done that on occasion while wearing a shoulder holster rig.
Get a pancake holster. Then punch two holes, one on either side of the muzzle, at the toe of the holster. Make "Reverse J-hooks" out of thick Kydex, drill a hole in the end of each one, and attach them to the holster with Chicago screws (post screws.)Until you get into get into a quick jog and realize your jacket isn't buttoned. The wind created blows away the curtain of the Great Oz. I've done that on occasion while wearing a shoulder holster rig.
Now, stuff your holster down between your pants and body, and the reverse-j part of the hooks will slide down on the outside of your pants, over your belt, and click into place. Your holster is firmly anchored to your belt. Pull out that part of your shirt behind the holster, drape it over the holstered gun and tuck it into the space between holster and pants. Position your holster and tighten your belt.
Now "blouse" your shirt -- pull out an inch or so all around and let it hang naturally -- and your gun has disappeared!!
Edcnh
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I pocket carry most of the time in the warmer weather or use an IWB holster with an untucked shirt. I the cooler months it’s OWB or IWB with a tucked in shirt if I will be indoors a lot.
Whiskeyhotel2020
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Up till recently I only had a full size 1911. I carried for years own in either a galco silhouette or a wilson combat low pro with a t-shirt with an untucked button down (last two buttons fastened). In the winter depending on what i was doing either a shoulder holster or a chapman high ride worn cross draw.
Legionnaire
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I'll go the untucked shirt route or wear a jacket when I can. For the times I can't, I have a couple of these. They work well with single-stack semi-autos.
https://www.511tactical.com/holster-shirt.html
https://www.511tactical.com/holster-shirt.html
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