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25/20 in a pump action like the Remington Model 25. Imagine life without needing a 22 LR.
25/20 in a pump action like the Remington Model 25. Imagine life without needing a 22 LR.
The 280 Ross. The original 7mm Magnum. And the first cartridge to exceed 3000 FPS. In 1907. the original load was a 145 gr bullet at 3145 FPS. With today's powders it can be loaded to about 90% of a 7mm Remington Mag. Only problem is the .288 dia. bullets it uses. That could be corrected during a re-introduction.
We might be able to live with the 32/20I've wanted a .25 cal straight wall round for a long time. 25/20 brass is thin. Something that will move a 75 gr bullet around 2000 fps would be awesome.
I own a Remington Model 673 in 6.5 Rem Mag. It's a fun gun to shoot and works well on the whitetail deer where I hunt.6.5 Rem Mag.
25-20 single shot in a stevens 44 1/2 will do pretty close to that.I've wanted a .25 cal straight wall round for a long time. 25/20 brass is thin. Something that will move a 75 gr bullet around 2000 fps would be awesome.
Uhhhh....wrong! The original load was a loooooong 135 gr bullet at 2550 FPS. This was found to be to erosive on the bore and a 112 grain bullet was adopted at 2560. didn't really help much. The 75 grain bullet was never loaded in any factory rounds that I know of. It is true that the cartridge WILL achieve 3300 FPS with that weight bullet, using modern powders (3031, 37 gr. ) but that is not a factory load and it is extremely doubtful that one was ever assembled or fired before 1907.6mm Lee Navy 3300 fps in the 1890's.
You mean one of THESE??!! One of the most fun guns I own, Slick as greased lightning, ten round mag and inch groups at fifty yards. Bore is a tiny bit rough or it might do better. Hornady makes a wicked little 60 gr JHP that 12 grains of 4227 will push along at about 2100 FPS. Blows up gallon jugs full of water about as well as any hornet. I get four reloadings out of a case.25/20 in a pump action like the Remington Model 25. Imagine life without needing a 22 LR.
Uhhhh....wrong! The original load was a loooooong 135 gr bullet at 2550 FPS. This was found to be to erosive on the bore and a 112 grain bullet was adopted at 2560. didn't really help much. The 75 grain bullet was never loaded in any factory rounds that I know of. It is true that the cartridge WILL achieve 3300 FPS with that weight bullet, using modern powders (3031, 37 gr. ) but that is not a factory load and it is extremely doubtful that one was ever assembled or fired before 1907.
You mean one of THESE??!! One of the most fun guns I own, Slick as greased lightning, ten round mag and inch groups at fifty yards. Bore is a tiny bit rough or it might do better. Hornady makes a wicked little 60 gr JHP that 12 grains of 4227 will push along at about 2100 FPS. Blows up gallon jugs full of water about as well as any hornet. I get four reloadings out of a case.
As I've said numerous times, they are not always good reasons. You give the fickle shooter way too much credit. Lots of good ideas fall by the wayside for seemingly ridiculous, bewildering or unknown reasons.There are good reasons these cartridges failed to catch on. If you really want you can have custom dies made so you can reload anything.
I would resurrect the 280 British, as I think it would be the perfect deer cartridge for most beginning hunters. Unquestionably enough power for deer at any range a new hunter would shoot and modest recoil. The 280 British will propel a 140 grain bullet at 2550 fps, producing 2000 ft-lb of energy at the muzzle. The 7mm-08 is a fine round, but at 2600 ft-lbs I see it as being more of a deer/elk cartridge, i.e. it's more than you need (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that).
Craig I think you're right. This same thing happens here as far as the debates go. One cartridge has a slight advantage (such as velocity) and some will discount the slower cartridge as useless and they can't understand why anyone would own such a cartridge. But sometimes that's all they consider. But they fail to take barrel life, brass life, amount of powder needed to achieve such advantage, recoil, etc. Some also don't don't think about the fact that that lesser cartridge may have 100,000 one shot kills or hundreds of thousands of 10 ring bullseyes in competition.As I've said numerous times, they are not always good reasons. You give the fickle shooter way too much credit. Lots of good ideas fall by the wayside for seemingly ridiculous, bewildering or unknown reasons.
I had a 218 Mashburn Bee for a while. Nice quite little varmint shooter. Sorta like a 223 with a can on it.I am not quite certain this is a dead cartridge,,,
It's certainly scarce if it is still being made somewhere.
.218 Bee would be my choice.
I dunno what the rifle's make/model was,,,
But my neighbors dad had one with a HUGE scope on it,,,
He used to sit out on his back porch and pop field rats in the evening.
It's pure nostalgia but I was always enamored with that little cartridge,,,
I know where I could buy a bolt rifle but it would hurt my heart to not be able to shoot it.
Aarond
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Or sometimes they completely disregard the faster cartridge (6mm Rem.)Craig I think you're right. This same thing happens here as far as the debates go. One cartridge has a slight advantage (such as velocity) and some will discount the slower cartridge as useless and they can't understand why anyone would own such a cartridge.
I cannot find a source for this loading and I may well be wrong, lord knows that I have been wrong often enough in the past ! Can you give me a source because I can't find anything at all mentioning a 75 gr bullet being loaded by anybody, at any time, other that handloaders,for this cartridge. Also it seems rather odd, the idea of using a .25 caliber bullets to knock holes in torpedo boats. I assume they were meant to hit the crew, not sink the boat. Sinking any boat with with a 25 caliber rifle would be a rather time consuming exercise in futility, I think.Yes you are WONG....75 grain at 3300fps....and it was a factory loading UMC loading, not a Winchester loading.
Which in the end brings it down to personal preference. And luckily, we live in a country that gives us freedom to choose, and offers so many choices. Sure, some have fallen by the wayside. And there are a few who wish certain ones hadn't. But as was stated earlier, so many cartridges overlap. It's (almost) absurd. Most wish a cartridge was resurrected due to nostalgic or sentimental reasons. And some newer cartridges fell because they didn't really offer anything better than what was already available. It was just new. Snd some people view "new" as "better". And they just simply weren't. Reminds me of the EtronX rifles from Remington several years ago.Or sometimes they completely disregard the faster cartridge (6mm Rem.)
I don't care at this point how much powder is burned to get the extra 200 fps. Just like in some situations you dont care how much more gas your Camaro is using.
Well, one has to remember how it was aborned.The FN 5.7x28
It may not be dead, but someone should have killed it in the crib
The idea of electric ignition has real merit. Instantaneous lock timeWhich in the end brings it down to personal preference. And luckily, we live in a country that gives us freedom to choose, and offers so many choices. Sure, some have fallen by the wayside. And there are a few who wish certain ones hadn't. But as was stated earlier, so many cartridges overlap. It's (almost) absurd. Most wish a cartridge was resurrected due to nostalgic or sentimental reasons. And some newer cartridges fell because they didn't really offer anything better than what was already available. It was just new. Snd some people view "new" as "better". And they just simply weren't. Reminds me of the EtronX rifles from Remington several years ago.
The idea of electric ignition has real merit. Instantaneous lock time