IL- "Daley: We Need To Debate Gun Issue"

[DonP]

How do you define "common sense" Mr. Daley?

Do you assume that if a majority of the people believe in and support something, then that by definition is common sense?

48 other states allow their citizens to carry concealed. Are they all wrong and only you and Doyle in Wisconsin are right?

You already have complete gun control in Chicago but you are still plagued with gang killings. Maybe you need common sense community driven gang control instead of encouraging your citizens to go after lawful gun shop owners.

Next time there's a shooting call in the parent/s of the shooter and lock them up until they give up the names of the other shooters. While you're at it lock up all the street witnesses too until they talk.

Don't forget to tell the community parents and ministers that they are all responsible for the behavior and actions of their children and you will be holding them accountable for naming names in the next gang crime.

That might get you results. At least until the ACLU sues the city again.

Nah, never mind. It's just easier to use gun shop owners in other counties and states as your whipping boy than tell voters something they may not want to hear.

 

[SaintofKillers]

Why is that he can just pull numbers out of thin air and the media take it as gospel???

30000 people?????

Why dont we just start throwing about fictional numbers- 98,000 people protected themselves with an AK-47 last year, from zombies yeah thats it and so on.

He needs to be challenged on his facts, although the only thing he will do is get hysterical.

 

[ghschirtz]

^^send An Email To The Reporter, Letter To The Editor Of The Tribune, Whatever. The More Times Daley Gets Caught Telling A Whopper The More Likely It Is That Someone Will Catch On And Nail Him.

I Already Sent Mine, Reporter And Tribune.

 

[Don Gwinn]

It'd be great to see Daley debate the issue, but he won't. People have shown up to his offices in the past for that expressed purpose. He hid out in the back and refused even to meet them.

 

[Soybomb]

“I know my son wasn’t in a gang,” Watson’s mother, Stephanie Tyson, said. “I know that he was innocent.

Well if grandma says so I'm sure its true

Seriously I don't see what Daley needs to debate. His city has some of the tightest gun laws in the country, it seems like he's gotten what he wants in the area of the country he has been chosen to govern. He isn't my mayor.

 

[DonP]

"... He isn't my mayor."

Ah, that's where you're wrong. His ego has reached the point where he actually thinks he should be able to influence the laws of others tates and municipalities. And why shouldn't he feel omnipotent?

Everyone know he has his hand up the Governors posterior and Blago is basically his meat puppet. This year the state will provide over $200 million in state tax revenues to support the Chicago transit systems shortfall.

Then he "annexed" part of the land in the Village of Bensenville to expand O'Hare airport. Then squashed the legal challenges through judges he had recommended through the Chicago Democrat Machine.

He ignored warnings and restraining orders from the FAA and closed Meigs field airport in the middle of the night and had city bulldozers tear up the runways at 2 AM so they couldn't reopen it. He claimed it was to protect his city from terrorist attacks that might come from Meigs field.

He has publicly and repeatedly called for national gun bans and is one of the last mayors still trying to sue gun manufacturers, ignoring the protection of lawful commerce act because "it's stupid" he was quoted as saying. At last count (June 2006) they city of Chicago (Daley) had spent over $1.7 million in legal fees on the gun lawsuits. Who cares, it's not his money. He just increased property taxes in Cook County by 40% last year.

His power rests on a very delicate balance of the business base in Chicago, the African-American community supporting him and the growing Latino organizations.

He will do nothing to create a stir in those communities that creat his power base.

That's why he never talks about tracking down gang members or increasing the police presence in the communities being shot up over drug turf.

He may not actually be your mayor but he thinks he is and nobody is telling him different.

 

[foghornl]

Sorry, Emperor "DICK" Daley II, but what needs debate is the discussion of why you are not among the black-n-white broad-striped suit wearers of The Federal Cross-Bar Hotel.

 

[coyote_jr]

He loves to plant gardens and trees. So did L'Duce.

What happened to L'Duce?

 

[jselvy]

I think they hanged him from a lamppost.

Jefferson

 

[bl4ckd0g]

What's with the negativity here? Chicago is a great city to reside in if your hobbies include drug trafficking, identity theft, extortion, illegal gambling, etc. . .

Honestly, if your an average white man, you can probably get away with vehicle carry- like I did before I moved away. It was also rather unnecessary whenever I did go into the city. I worked on the west side, north side and downtown for over four years and I only encountered infrequent harrassment from the bums in the loop.

The only reason to carry is if you're forced to work in the higher risk districts, which are shrinking due to the skyrocketing cost of living in Chicago. I sersiously doubt that the average thug can afford the average property tax bill that's usually over $7,500.

And the ones that can, mostly in the drug trade, probably want nothing to do with you. So just relax and take in a Cubs or Sox game.

Seriously, your biggest risk in the city is having your car damaged in a hit and run, or getting it scratched to hell by a parallel-parking yuppie.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Was the kid shot with an Uzi or an AK47? Probably not.

Chicago newspaper columnist Joan Beck praised the passage
of the 1994 ASW ban, but turned around and noted that
of 2,400 murders in Chicago before the ban, only three
(3) were with assault weapons. 1 of 800, or 0.125 percent.
That was when "assault weapons" were allegedly 10% of
the new gun market. "Assault weapons" were not "on the
streets" of Chicago committing crimes; they were mostly
in the gun safes or gun racks of military gun collectors
resting quietly.

Crime is high in Chicago in part because of the other-than-gun
policies of the city government lead by Daley. Gun control is
just a smoke screen to cover his behind.

on the international front

The European nation of Luxembourg bans pistols and has few
rifles or shotguns. The murder rate in Lux was 9 per 100,000
people per year versus USA 6 per 100,000 people per year;
however, Luxembourg has a smaller total population, so even
with a higher murder rate, it has fewer total murders than the
USA: rate per 100,000 people per year is the only valid
comparison, not total numbers. And does it make any difference
that a smaller percentage of the Lux murder victims were shot?
They're dead.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by bl4ackd0g:
What's with the negativity here? Chicago is a great city to reside in if your hobbies include drug trafficking, identity theft, extortion, illegal gambling, etc. . .

Honestly, if your an average white man, you can probably get away with vehicle carry- like I did before I moved away. It was also rather unnecessary whenever I did go into the city. I worked on the west side, north side and downtown for over four years and I only encountered infrequent harrassment from the bums in the loop.

The only reason to carry is if you're forced to work in the higher risk districts, which are shrinking due to the skyrocketing cost of living in Chicago. I sersiously doubt that the average thug can afford the average property tax bill that's usually over $7,500.

And the ones that can, mostly in the drug trade, probably want nothing to do with you. So just relax and take in a Cubs or Sox game.

Seriously, your biggest risk in the city is having your car damaged in a hit and run, or getting it scratched to hell by a parallel-parking yuppie.

So your an "average white man" that illegally carried a gun in Chicago? First off you were not caught so you do not know if you would get away with it. You would not.

So thugs do not hang around rich neighborhoods? I am sorry but criminals are everywhere and you should carry everywhere.

Since the biggest risk you will face in Wyoming is a piece of gravel from a dirt road hitting your car or a collision with a deer you dont carry?

 

[benEzra]

Was the kid shot with an Uzi or an AK47? Probably not.

Almost certainly a handgun.

In 2005 (latest year for which figures are available), Illinois had 448 homicides. All rifles COMBINED accounted for only 4 of them.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_20.html

 

[Caimlas]

Jeez! They even speak illiterately.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by Carl N. Brown:
Chicago newspaper columnist Joan Beck praised the passage
of the 1994 ASW ban, but turned around and noted that
of 2,400 murders in Chicago before the ban, only three
(3) were with assault weapons. 1 of 800, or 0.125 percent.
That was when "assault weapons" were allegedly 10% of
the new gun market. "Assault weapons" were not "on the
streets" of Chicago committing crimes; they were mostly
in the gun safes or gun racks of military gun collectors
resting quietly.

Crime is high in Chicago in part because of the other-than-gun
policies of the city government lead by Daley. Gun control is
just a smoke screen to cover his behind.

on the international front

The European nation of Luxembourg bans pistols and has few
rifles or shotguns. The murder rate in Lux was 9 per 100,000
people per year versus USA 6 per 100,000 people per year;
however, Luxembourg has a smaller total population, so even
with a higher murder rate, it has fewer total murders than the
USA: rate per 100,000 people per year is the only valid
comparison, not total numbers. And does it make any difference
that a smaller percentage of the Lux murder victims were shot?
They're dead.

Goy sources?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Goy sources?

Nope, I consider Don Kates and Gary Mauser kosher sources.