real_name
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If they are going to break US residency and labor law should they be allowed to have carry permits too?
Or is that just taking the madness too far?
Or is that just taking the madness too far?
Illegal immigrants should be allowed Carry Permits. Deal or No Deal?
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longeyes
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In a word: yes.
real_name
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longeyes:
all illegal immigrants?
even if they come from the middle east?
where is the line with this?
all illegal immigrants?
even if they come from the middle east?
where is the line with this?
longeyes
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I meant, yes, it's taking the madness too far.
TexasRifleman
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Why not. Hell just give them an M4 at the border. Won't be much worse than it is now.
I need to start drinking a lot more I guess.....
I need to start drinking a lot more I guess.....
Don't Tread On Me
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Whoever thinks illegals should have the right to concealed carry licenses is in need of therapy.
Sorry for being so harsh.
Sorry for being so harsh.
real_name
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longeyes said:
OK. Sorry, I read your answer as a response to the Topic.
Here in TN there was a problem with illegals getting Driving Licenses without being documented.
My point, I guess, is should we let them have everything they want or shutdown the supply of 'rights' to those that don't warrant them?
Don't Tread On Me
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I don't think using Concealed Carry licenses as a vehicle to argue "all or none" in regards to licensing is an effective or wise argument to make. It does raise an eyebrow due to the absurdity of such an idea, but it will be dismissed as madness.
Remember, most of those in favor of giving aliens everything they want are socialists who believe it is the duty of the government to provide for all. As such, they see drivers licenses as a "need"..and totally unrelated to concealed carry licenses which are a "want"...
Remember, most of those in favor of giving aliens everything they want are socialists who believe it is the duty of the government to provide for all. As such, they see drivers licenses as a "need"..and totally unrelated to concealed carry licenses which are a "want"...
ElTacoGrande
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I'm pretty sure that under US law, non-residents can't even possess firearms except within some narrow constraints (must have a valid hunting permit or something).
I'm all in favor of the guest worker program, and I'm very opposed to making it a felony for someone to be here illegally, but giving them CCW? Gee, I can't even get CCW in my own home town because we have a Jim Crow sheriff.
I think some things, like voting and CCW, should wait until they are perm. residents at least.
I'm all in favor of the guest worker program, and I'm very opposed to making it a felony for someone to be here illegally, but giving them CCW? Gee, I can't even get CCW in my own home town because we have a Jim Crow sheriff.
I think some things, like voting and CCW, should wait until they are perm. residents at least.
Twycross
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My position is that illegal immigrants should be fined and deported. CHLs are not part of that process.
real_name
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Not true, here in TN at least.
I'm a UK citizen, until 04.21 anyway and had no problem gaining a permit legally.
I am a LEGAL resident alien though, that counts for everything when it comes to checking my background as it means I have been investigated by the FBI/TBI exhaustively.
If they are illegal, the problem is getting them out and not checking My citizenship everytime I go to the store.
We all know at some point the dems are going to take power and make all illegals legal. So if your not going to hunt them down and throw them out, theres no reason left to deny them american rights.
What we certainly do not want an underclass that can be used and abused by the left as a new source of slave labor. If immigrants have to be here, we have to make sure the remaining laws are enforced and these people dont end up as servants to empower the socialists.
At worse you get a bump in crime, nothing new to us.
At best you give that feeling of empowerment we enjoy to people who have never experienced it before. They will take that home with them, across the border.
The only good outcome of rampant cross border traffic will be to get these guys armed, assed up, and marching back home to demand more from their own government. Begining with firearms rights.
RKBA in mexico? Im all for it.
We all know at some point the dems are going to take power and make all illegals legal. So if your not going to hunt them down and throw them out, theres no reason left to deny them american rights.
What we certainly do not want an underclass that can be used and abused by the left as a new source of slave labor. If immigrants have to be here, we have to make sure the remaining laws are enforced and these people dont end up as servants to empower the socialists.
At worse you get a bump in crime, nothing new to us.
At best you give that feeling of empowerment we enjoy to people who have never experienced it before. They will take that home with them, across the border.
The only good outcome of rampant cross border traffic will be to get these guys armed, assed up, and marching back home to demand more from their own government. Begining with firearms rights.
RKBA in mexico? Im all for it.
Maxwell....
The problem is, you're drawing a distinction between the right and the left as it concerns this matter.
The right is in power now and doing everything possible to do the same thing you accuse the left of coveting.
Where is the difference?
Biker
The problem is, you're drawing a distinction between the right and the left as it concerns this matter.
The right is in power now and doing everything possible to do the same thing you accuse the left of coveting.
Where is the difference?
Biker
Standing Wolf
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Every time we use the term "illegal immigrants," we lend legitimacy to their presence.
They are not so-called "immigrants."
They are illegal aliens. They belong in prison.
They are not so-called "immigrants."
They are illegal aliens. They belong in prison.
Car Knocker
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Why in the world would we legally arm active criminals?
wow.
One of my thoughts goes to James Michner's "Hawaii" where he puts forth the idea that if the Republicans acknowledged the work ethic and conservatism of the imports and embraced this, they would have been republicans to this day. That did not happen and the Democrats captured the entire population.
Another of my thoughts says that there should not be any deprivation of anyone from firearm purchase. But that is confounded by current rules and regs. of legal IDs. (Which they don't have).
Yet another is the fact they are illegal. (Not to be diminished.) There should be no encouragement of enjoyment of citizenship as an illegal. As illegals I submit that there is a disproportionate amount of illegal (read drug dealing) that may be found due to closed doors for lawful employment to make money. This is rife with danger and a whole other ball of wax. But of course those that are in that line of work would be outside our goodguy citizen ownership anyways.
In a perfect world yes, why not.
As it is now, they (those that are not yet "wet" (and crossed) need to realize that just crossing is not equivilant to gaining the right to keep and bear arms.(But if I recall correctly, regardless of citizenship, illegals are still afforded many of the protections granted by the constitution)
Due to the fact that they that are actually here are currently Illegal, and therfore under the "outlaw status", no outlaws should have the further legal right to defend themselves against being confrontedwhen their legal staus is challenged.
ask me tomorrow and I fear I might arrive at a different conclusion.....
kind of wormy logic but that's how I arrive at this conclusion.
cavman
One of my thoughts goes to James Michner's "Hawaii" where he puts forth the idea that if the Republicans acknowledged the work ethic and conservatism of the imports and embraced this, they would have been republicans to this day. That did not happen and the Democrats captured the entire population.
Another of my thoughts says that there should not be any deprivation of anyone from firearm purchase. But that is confounded by current rules and regs. of legal IDs. (Which they don't have).
Yet another is the fact they are illegal. (Not to be diminished.) There should be no encouragement of enjoyment of citizenship as an illegal. As illegals I submit that there is a disproportionate amount of illegal (read drug dealing) that may be found due to closed doors for lawful employment to make money. This is rife with danger and a whole other ball of wax. But of course those that are in that line of work would be outside our goodguy citizen ownership anyways.
In a perfect world yes, why not.
As it is now, they (those that are not yet "wet" (and crossed) need to realize that just crossing is not equivilant to gaining the right to keep and bear arms.(But if I recall correctly, regardless of citizenship, illegals are still afforded many of the protections granted by the constitution)
Due to the fact that they that are actually here are currently Illegal, and therfore under the "outlaw status", no outlaws should have the further legal right to defend themselves against being confrontedwhen their legal staus is challenged.
ask me tomorrow and I fear I might arrive at a different conclusion.....
kind of wormy logic but that's how I arrive at this conclusion.
cavman
aguyindallas
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I cant say hell no fast enough.
I have to go through a serious state and fed background check with prints be be authorized, yet we would allow system skimming people that have no way to get close to a background check a permit...no thanks!
I have to go through a serious state and fed background check with prints be be authorized, yet we would allow system skimming people that have no way to get close to a background check a permit...no thanks!
beerslurpy
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Illegals dont buy insurance or bother with licenses to drive, why would they bother with a CCW to carry?
GruntII
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illegals are entitled only to a quick trip back home, or a bullet in the back of the head. Folks the culture war is getting ready to go hot.
Permits? No. No one should have to have a permit in order to excercise a basic human right.
Nor should anyone require permission from any government in order to enter into a private contract or to own land.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights ..."
pax
Nor should anyone require permission from any government in order to enter into a private contract or to own land.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights ..."
pax
xd9fan
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why not?
I emailed the prez and the top GOP wondering what the hell is the point of laws after this.
I emailed the prez and the top GOP wondering what the hell is the point of laws after this.- Status
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