Illinois CCW qualifying dilemma

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I have my 2nd half CCW class coming up next week and I have a dilemma. I just got a Ruger LCP, which I intend as my carry piece, but with .380 being so scarce, I only have 50 rounds for it. I know the live-fire qualifying for the course requires 30 rounds. That doesn't leave much to practice with on a gun I've never fired.

Anyone know if you have to use the same gun in the dry-fire drawing practice that you do in the live-fire qualifying? I can use my Glock 17 for the course I guess but I don't mean to carry it since it's so big.
 
Put a phone call in to your instructor - in my class they did not care which gun I qualified with - after all, some people will own several carry pistols rather than just one.

Every instructor is different so give them a call and you will be good to go with warmer weather on the horizon. :)
 
If you don't have to qualify with the same gun that you carry, then I'd definitely use the 17.

Regardless, gunbot.com shows plenty of online retailers with .380 in-stock and ready to ship.
 
Most states don't require you to use the same gun you intend to carry. Its actually pretty typical for instructors to rent out .22 target pistols for the class.

Not sure the exact nuances of the IL law, but I don't remember hearing anything about having to qualify with you carry gun when it passed.
 
I'm an IL CCW instructor. There is no requirement to qualify with the gun you will carry. I've had people qualify with Ruger MKIII target guns before, punching out the X ring. :)

The only requirement is that you qualify with a "concealable handgun" which is very broad. A man in a long coat could conceal an AR-15 pistol if he wanted. Hence, "concealable".
 
If there are any parts of the qualification that require firing at targets at 50' or greater, you definitely don't want to use the LCP.

You will find it easier to place shots at any distance with the Glock.
 
Glocks work good. This is my last B27 practice target shot w/ the Illinois requirements (30 rounds), shot with a Glock 19 using reloads; Berry's plated 115gr w/ 4.5gr Bullseye.

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Those 9's on the left seem to indicate you're anticipating a bit, Trent. Might want to work on that....

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Larry
 
You've got target practice to a level where you might want to consider defensive shooting practice/training/games/competition. It gets more interesting when you and/or the targets are moving.
 
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You've got target practice to a level where you might want to consider defensive shooting practice/training/games/competition. It gets more interesting when you and/or the targets are moving.
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Any more I just train to keep the muscle memory current; I've turned my pursuits to teaching.

I shoot occasional steel on steel, and a few USPSA events each year just to keep the skills somewhat honed. I'm not really interested in competing for the sake of competing, just for the experience of breaking the monotony. We used to do pin shoots too but those fell out of favor - which means my club record on major auto will last forever! :)

Still, I often practice shooting & moving, and do multiple target drills, as well as reactive targets, as shooting stationary/stationary got tiresome long ago.
 
Took the LCP to the range at lunch today and did a "mock" qualifying run. 10 shots each at 5, 7 and 10 yards. I'm no longer worried about passing the qualification. I think this entire sheet fits in the scoring ring of the target we have to use to qualify :)

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It seems to me like the main objective is to obtain the permit. Therefore, personally there would be no delima at all for me, I would use the gun that would facilitate the intended objective the most.
 
I'm curious - when you get a big ragged hole like that, it's hard to count the individual shots. Considering we need 21 out of 30 in the 7 ring, do they just assume that the shots you can't see went through the big hole?
 
Yeah. If someone shoots a big ragged hole I'm scoring it 100%, even if I can't count the individual bullet holes anymore. It hasn't happened YET in my classes, but there's been plenty of people that have shot good groups (3-4").

I can't fathom someone presenting any serious argument against that methodology, in any context. (Scoring a ragged hole as 100%).
 
I'm curious - when you get a big ragged hole like that, it's hard to count the individual shots. Considering we need 21 out of 30 in the 7 ring, do they just assume that the shots you can't see went through the big hole?
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I think you're worrying about it a bit too much the proficiency requirement is not meant to make sure you're a good shot or even an average shot, just that you aren't an outstandling terrible shot. 21 shots in the 7 ring from 7yds should be no problem for someone who has over 1600 post on a forum that exclusively discusses guns.

edit: sorry somehow missed your post about no longer being worried, but everything I said above is still true
 
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Heck, I don't know as it HAS to be in the 7 ring. The law isn't specific, so I've seen various interpretations ranging from "you have to hit the black part" to "if it's a hole in the paper it counts."

I'd stand well clear of somebody who has to use that interpretation, though, unless said individual put in an awful lot of range time afterwards. Putting a hole in me when I'm standing behind you will put me in a sour mood.

Edit: Huh, they DID update the rules. Only hits to the scoring section of the target count.
 
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Hey Trent how come you were able to shoot reloads? When I qualified for my CCW we could only use factory loaded ammo. That is in Nevada, further we could only shoot lead core ammo, no steel core.
 
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