Illinois: "Law-enforcement memorial group defends semi-automatic rifle raffle "

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http://www.qconline.com/archives/qco/sections.cgi?prcss=display&id=174459
November 15, 2003 12:17 AM

Law-enforcement memorial group defends semi-automatic rifle raffle
By Tory Brecht , Staff writer

Despite claims to the contrary, there is nothing ironic, unusual or immoral about raffling off a semi-automatic rifle to raise money for a police memorial, say members of the committee conducting the raffle.

Gene Karzin, president of the Quad Cities Law Enforcement Memorial Committee, said the fundraiser is aimed primarily at fellow police officers who might like to have a rifle for use on duty.

The gun in question is a CAR UTE Elite, a .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle manufactured by Rock River Arms Inc. of Colona. The military-style weapon has been called an ``assault rifle'' by gun-control advocates and in a broadcast-media report aired Wednesday.

That's stretching the facts, said Det. Karzin, a member of the Rock Island Police Department.

``It's not what they're portraying it as,'' he said. ``It's a legal weapon you can buy at any gun store in the Quad-Cities. It is not fully automatic. We couldn't raffle off a banned weapon, or I'd have to put myself in jail.''

Tom Mannard, executive director of the Chicago-based Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said guns like the CAR UTE Elite may not be on the banned list, but they basically are cloned replicas of assault rifles that are, like the Colt AR-15.

Mr. Mannard said the fact that it is being raffled off to help fund a memorial dedicated to officers killed in the line of duty is disturbing.

``To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, and particularly law-enforcement officers, is pretty misguided,'' he said. ``To raise money for a memorial is wonderful, but you'd hate to see an officer's name go up on that memorial because they're killed by an AR-15 or a similar weapon.''

That's highly unlikely, said Det. Karzin.

``Only one officer in the last 44 years has been killed by a weapon of this sort in the state of Illinois,'' he said.

Although members of the public can buy one of the $5 raffle tickets -- proceeds of which will help fund landscaping, a base, lights and a wall behind the officers memorial statue outside the justice center in Rock Island -- most ticket buyers are fellow cops, Det. Karzin said.

Ninety-five to 99 percent of the tickets sold thus far have gone to fellow officers, he said. To win the gun, a ticketholder must produce a valid firearms identification card, which is regulated by the state and prohibits convicted felons, those convicted of domestic battery and other violent crimes, and the mentally ill from owning guns, Det. Karzin said.

``I don't find it ironic at all,'' he said of the raffle. ``This gun is not going to kill anybody. We'll follow the letter of the law in whoever we give it to.''

John Johnson, executive director of Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence, said he was surprised to learn of the raffle one day after visiting the Quad-Cities to lobby for tighter assault-weapon restrictions.

``It's almost more than ironic that police officers would be auctioning off a weapon that is used in a disproportionate number of officer shootings,'' he said. ``One out of five officers killed by guns are killed by assault weapons, even though they make up less than 5 percent of all guns.''

Mr. Johnson said he supports the raffle. He said Iowans for the Prevention of Gun Violence and the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence have jointly offered to give the fundraising committee a hunting rifle or shotgun of equal value to the CAR UTE Elite to be raffled off instead.

Det. Karzin said the committee is not interested in that offer.

Rock Island County Sheriff Mike Grchan called the controversy much ado about nothing.

``At every law-enforcement convention I go to, be it the FBI or state police or whatever, they always have a firearm auction,'' he said. ``Those are the tools of the business.''


Staff writer Tory Brecht can be reached at (309) 786-6441, ext. 271, or by e-mail at [email protected].
 
Must be a massive typo

Everyone knows that all police organizations hate all guns in citizens hands, especially EBR.

I know it's true because Sara Brady and Ton Diaz told me so.

I gotta see if I can me one of them raffle tickets!

Ha!

Don P.
 
``To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, and particularly law-enforcement officers, is pretty misguided,'' he said.
Proof, dummy?
That would mean that 51% of the times an "assault rifle" is used, someone is attempting murder. Attempted murder with an assault rifle is thus at least as common as target practice, competition, and plinking. Right.

I do believe I could throw ten bucks their way.
 
I e-mailed for details

When I get some details back from them I'll post it.

I asked how we can participate via e-mail or phone via credit card.

Don P.
 
I've been telling you guys for a long time that most Illinois rank and file peace officers are pro RKBA....Can you hear me now :D

Jeff
 
Tom Mannard, executive director of the Chicago-based Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence, said guns like the CAR UTE Elite may not be on the banned list, but they basically are cloned replicas of assault rifles that are, like the Colt AR-15.

Wow! Is that guy a genius, or what?
 
I just wrote a check and threw it in the mail, the old fashioned way.....its worth a stamp to ya, isn't it, folks?
 
"One out of five officers killed by guns are killed by assault weapons, even though they make up less than 5 percent of all guns.'' - VPC lies, lies, lies.

The first part is from an FBI statistic that said 20% of all officers killed by firearms are killed by long guns. It doesn't differentiate types, from shotguns to rifles, bolt actions to semi-autos. Just like what the definition of 'is' is, I guess the VPC can call anything an assault weapon.

The second, 5% part probably just counts the AWB definition of 'assault weapon', and not SKS's, thumb-hole stock AK's or any other long guns. Maximise the first number and minimise the second; it's the classic 'big lie'.

"This gun is not going to kill anybody". - Now that's more like it.

The whole thing reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where the pointy-haired boss is appalled to hear that 40% of sick days were being taken on Mondays and Fridays. :D
 
That "one in five" bit angers me because it's so obviously a lie. I am glad that the LEOs in question have more brains than the idjit that the quote came from. It's good to see some pro RKBA folks getting some words in print at any rate....
 
Just got an email back from them. They seem to be surprised at the outside support they are getting. I am waiting to find out if there is any other way to send in the $5.00.

This is a perfect way to make positive waves. Gun group helps local PD, Gun Nuts to the rescue, whatever.

Chris
 
To win the gun, a ticketholder must produce a valid firearms identification card, which is regulated by the state and prohibits convicted felons, those convicted of domestic battery and other violent crimes, and the mentally ill from owning guns, Det. Karzin said.
We don't have those here in NE. Does that mean I'm not eligible to win?
 
Anybody can enter. The gun will be transferred from Rock River to your local FFL.

Here is the email reply I got.
Thank you for contacting me about the QC Law
Enforcement Officers Memorial ticket raffle. We are
VERY glad for your support in this matter. As you
know, we have not had the best of plublicity in this
very legal and, we feel, worthwhile event.

The winner will take possession through a transfer
with Rock River Arms in Colona IL (The manufacturer).
In reference to purchasing tickets for this rifle,
they are $5 each. You can send payment to:

QC Law Enforcement Officers Memorial
Post Office Box 4444
Rock Island, Il 61204

Please include you name, address and phone number so
that I can fill out the ticket stub for the drawing.
After that I will send you the other stub from the
ticket(s) for your records.

Thanks again for you assistance and support in this
matter.
 
The really cool thing about this is that they KNEW it was going to stir up a buncha trouble and did it anyway.

Around here (Carroll County - kinda outer ring suburb/somewhat rural) a group raffled off a hunting rifle and the usual suspects went nuts.

And as far as the "1 in 5" goes, I believe I have read here they included any firearm with a 10+ round mag (i.e. a Glock pistol with a 15 round mag is an "assault weapon").
 
The winner will take possession through a transfer
with Rock River Arms in Colona IL (The manufacturer).
In reference to purchasing tickets for this rifle,
they are $5 each. You can send payment to:

QC Law Enforcement Officers Memorial
Post Office Box 4444
Rock Island, Il 61204

Please include you name, address and phone number so
that I can fill out the ticket stub for the drawing.
After that I will send you the other stub from the
ticket(s) for your records.
Cool. I guess that means they will sale tickets out of state. At $5 even I can buy a couple to support them. :)
 
So let me get this straight. They are willing to replace what they term an "assault rifle" with what they otherwise term a "sniper rifle". Do I have that about right?
 
To raffle off a gun used, more often than not, to kill innocent people, and particularly law-enforcement officers, is pretty misguided

:barf:

That's highly unlikely, said Det. Karzin.

``Only one officer in the last 44 years has been killed by a weapon of this sort in the state of Illinois,'' he said.

pwned!

``It's almost more than ironic that police officers would be auctioning off a weapon that is used in a disproportionate number of officer shootings,'' he said. ``One out of five officers killed by guns are killed by assault weapons, even though they make up less than 5 percent of all guns.''

what a LOAD OF CRAP(i had to rewrite that whole statment because of the offensive nature of my words too!)

The officer JUST said that ONE officer in the last FOURTY FOUR years has died from a weapon like this. Way to LIE THROUGH YOUR TEETH.

p.s. I wish foul language was allowed on this site, cause I had quite a bit to use in this post.
 
The anti's have a "contact us" area on their website; I suggest you use it. I did.
 
My note to ICAHV

Just sent this to their website at: http://www.ichv.org/ContactUs.htm

I would never have heard of the rifle raffle the Quad Cities Law Enforcement Memorial Committee is holding without your assistance. Your publicising this event has made it possible for me to participate in the raffle and I thank you for doing that for me. I will be mailing a check and an SASE to them today.

Thank you again for bringing this to my attention.

Sincerely,

Jim Peel
Kimball, NE
 
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