Illinois - M1 Carbine (IBM all original) new. Need info

[mjcrocker]

Thanks to all of you that have chimed in on this carbine. I'm learning a lot.

This rifle is in Illinois - I have a M1 A2 Carbine manufatured by IBM. Serial # 379XXXX. It is not a relica, and in new condition. I have 6 AYP 30 clips and dont know what it is worth. Any ideas.

I'm looking harder and finding more about the carbine. The barrel is marked SA 2 52

I've found information on the SA 1 52 and I guess its a Springfield Armory barrel. According to one blog I read the type 2 that is on this carbine was for nation match rifles. I don't know if this is true, but that's what I read. Anyone no anything about these markings?

 

[janedoedad]

The Bayonet Lug indicates that your rifle was reworked after the war. IBM Made 346,500 of these. The value/pricing vary greatly for the M1A2.

A professional evaluation is the best way to go. Or. . . I can relieve you of all that work for, say $500. Seriously, you have a nice rifle there, even better if all the numbers and parts match.


Some good information here http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/partsbparts.html

 

[carbine85]

Without seeing more detailed pictures of the Carbine it's hard to tell you what you have. It is a post war rebuild from what you are showing.
It's not worth $2000.00 as stated. If it was a nice example of an original configuration it could bring $2000 but that's pushing it.
Proper stock type with proper cartouche marks is very important.
Barrel band type and rear sight are also very important.

 

[Baba Louie]

As janedoedad and carbine85 wrote, it has been refurbed post war with the bayonet lug, rear sight and fat M2 stock, so value will be less than a pure original. Still and all, very nice for a War Baby.

Value? Good Lord in todays crazy world who knows actually? Pre frenzy I'd have said $750-800 as a shooter. Hopefully things will settle down and that number might hold some water for a while.

Otherwise it is worth what you paid for it until someone makes you a bonafide offer for more $$. Or if you are buying it and wanting an asking price, start your hagglin at $800 and have maybe another $400 in another pocket?

 

[mjcrocker]

These are the only markings i can find... See photos in a minute

 

[mjcrocker]

added more photos

 

[desidog]

It's a nice looking gun, but it is not in "new condition."

The stock has been sanded/refinished as well as the bayonet lug addition.

How does the bore look?

 

[mjcrocker]

M1 Carbine Information

you all know more about this than I do. My dad bought this at an army surplus store back in the late 60's and just handed it down to me. I don't know who would have sanded it. My dad wouldn't do it. Just not the type of guy to mess with that kind of stuff. If it were sanded, it was 50 years ago, but possible.

 

[CapnMac]

Sadly, there is no way to determine what and when on M-1 carbines. WWII armorers never bothered to keep parts together--they just used parts that fit. When directed, they replaced all the Type 1 barrel bands with Type 2 bayonet-accepting bands.

After WWII, bushels of parts of all kinds were available, and for cheap.

When Korea came around, untold numbers of Carbines were called up and fitted with various parts per need and armorer's schedule. So, a perfectly legit KW "bring back" might have mismatched parts, M2 bolt, and the like. But, it would have a "low-wood" stock and a Type 2 band.

Carbines in the condition yours is in have been going for $700-800 at the shows I've seen here around DFW; those magazines were going about $20 until December; probably $30-40 each now. So, $200-250 for the magazines and $800 for the weapon puts you around a grand in value.

Now, I've seen similar Carbines on GB priced $1200-1400, which is a tad outrageous without a cartouched (stamped) stock and a less-common maker, etc.

That's my 2¢; you'll need another $4 for a happy meal.

 

[mjcrocker]

Sadly, there is no way to determine what and when on M-1 carbines. WWII armorers never bothered to keep parts together--they just used parts that fit. When directed, they replaced all the Type 1 barrel bands with Type 2 bayonet-accepting bands.

After WWII, bushels of parts of all kinds were available, and for cheap.

When Korea came around, untold numbers of Carbines were called up and fitted with various parts per need and armorer's schedule. So, a perfectly legit KW "bring back" might have mismatched parts, M2 bolt, and the like. But, it would have a "low-wood" stock and a Type 2 band.

Carbines in the condition yours is in have been going for $700-800 at the shows I've seen here around DFW; those magazines were going about $20 until December; probably $30-40 each now. So, $200-250 for the magazines and $800 for the weapon puts you around a grand in value.

Now, I've seen similar Carbines on GB priced $1200-1400, which is a tad outrageous without a cartouched (stamped) stock and a less-common maker, etc.

That's my 2¢; you'll need another $4 for a happy meal.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. My son was born at the hospital near you. Brazosport, Lake Jackson, TX. Take care... Mike

 

[OpelBlitz]

Epic. That one's in better shape than mine. And I only have 15rd mags. IBM's awesome for some reason.

 

[InkEd]

You should keep the rifle and keep quite about it. Unless you registered it or something you know have what everyone wants right now. A nice rifle with good magazines and no way for big brother to know you have it.

 

[carbine85]

I believe Springfield Armory was a supplier for replacement barrels under military contract after the war. I will have to check my books but I don't it's original to the rifle. Marlin and Buffalo Arms are war time production manufacturers. Some of the M1 Carbine manufacturers shared barrels and other parts.

 

[mjcrocker]

Right now, I believe what a couple of folks have said, and also consistent with your opinion. I believe that this rifle was assembled with new or never used parts. The idea that when when more rifles were requested during the KW, that there was no interest in matching parts to manufacturer. These gun parts are apparently very interchangeable and it just didn't make sense to assemble a boat load more and match all manufacturers...

 

[Maj Dad]

The gray receiver with some smoothing of the character edges appears to have been re-parked. I have some original carbines & Garands, and the metal finish is very different. The "greenish" finish or a later "black" color that everyone prizes should be on an original rifle. That it appears "new" is likely a result of the re-arsenaling and subsequent lack of use. I have a Winnie Garand I got from the DCM in the early 80's that came from arsenal re-do, and it looked "new", but is really a "re-new." Doesn't detract from the piece - I think they are a valuable addition to the US GI weapon family, and represent an important phase of the history. I prize mine
Just one old guy's 2 cents...