Illinois passes veto proof CC bill.

[iflyem1]

It's a step in the right direction at least. Let's see what happens next!

 

[Jeff White]

Anyone who thinks this law will be improved like CCW laws in other states does not understand Illinois politics.

Reality has absolutely nothing to do with how the machine operates. Until the Chicago machine is dead or in prison, this law will not change. It won't matter one iota that there won't be blood in the streets or gunfights over fender benders.

Our legislators should not have accepted this terrible compromise.

 

[barnetmill]

blood in the streets

There is already quite a bit of blood in the streets of Chicago.

 

[fehhkk]

Those complaining that we got a horrible bill should realize that IL is not Arizona or Kentucky.

 

[JERRY]

you will get ccw but the list of off limits places seems longer than where you can actually ccw.

 

[tomrkba]

Those complaining that we got a horrible bill should realize that IL is not Arizona or Kentucky.

Yes, gun owners there are meek and refuse to demand their right to keep and bear arms under the Illinois constitution. Lawmakers there seem to think the right reads:

"Illinois Constitution Article I, Section 22

Right to Arms is subject only to the police power."


It actually reads:

"Illinois Constitution Article I, Section 22

Right to Arms

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

There is no doubt the FOID and various laws infringe upon the right. Gun owners in Illinois really need to set this straight or they will have arms only at the will of the state legislature.

 

[vamo]

Theres a thing or two to not like in the bill, but it really is not all that much worse than the ccw laws in other states. By the time I pay for the class and the fees it cost about $250 to get a permit here in MO, and I can't carry on transit and most other places this bill prohibits. The no reciprocity is definitely a pain though, I live near the border and would have liked to have that (especially since the parts of Illinois bordering MO are areas where you NEED to carry).

I can't see the governor vetoing the bill if he does then he risks having unrestricted carry in a week.

 

[armoredman]

I'd love to see a challenge brought to remove that one little line, "subject only to the police power" from your constitution, because that one little line undoes everything that the US Constitution was meant to do. Can you do anything at the grassroots level to get it amended?
If someone proposed adding that line down here, they be ridden out of town on a cactus.

 

[Spats McGee]

Once the details are hammered out (which I realize will take a while), I predict an "adjustment period" in the criminal element in Chicago. IOW, I think there will be a spike in gun deaths, as criminals try to figure out how to deal with the fact that a potential targe may well be carrying. Then things will settle down again.

 

[jim243]

Until the Chicago machine is dead or in prison

More and more of them are going every day, isn't Jesse Jackson Jr. going to one soon? And now they are talking about Obama and his miss-use of the IRS as a crime or at least an impeachable offense.

Jim

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Maybe with IL 'on board', the Fed gov will seek to co-opt CCW on its own terms nationwide in terms of reciprocity or opther ways. Just a thought in passing...

 

[JohnKSa]

Gun owners in Illinois really need to set this straight or they will have arms only at the will of the state legislature.

This is a good second step at setting it straight. You know, or should know that the first steps were the Heller and McDonald rulings. It's clear at this point, based on Heller & McDonald, that a state legislature can not prevent citizens from owning/having firearms, and this thread isn't even about that.

This thread is about the new CCW bill passed in IL. That means that not only does the state legislature recognize the right of IL citizens to own guns, it also recognizes their right (albeit subject to limitations as is true in all states to one extent or another) to carry them.

Which means that your post is, for the most part, inflammatory nonsense.

 

[Trent]

The last remaining concern here is "amendatory veto."

That option lets the governor re-write the bill as he sees fit.

Once that happens it goes back to the house / senate for a confirmation vote.

On a simple majority, his changes go in to effect.

On a super majority, his changes are overrode and the original language goes in to effect.

E.g. he could tack on a magazine limit of 10 rounds to preemption, and on a simple majority it would become law.

The question is if they think they have those votes to try.

With Madigan and Cullerton both "neck deep" in the construction of this bill, it is not outside the realm of possibility that the plan all along was to get it this far, then get last minute compromises done via amendatory veto.

E.g. "Shall Issue" could become "May Issue" *real* damn fast.

So... don't count your chickens yet.

 

[rugerman07]

Theres a thing or two to not like in the bill, but it really is not all that much worse than the ccw laws in other states. By the time I pay for the class and the fees it cost about $250 to get a permit here in MO, and I can't carry on transit and most other places this bill prohibits. The no reciprocity is definitely a pain though, I live near the border and would have liked to have that (especially since the parts of Illinois bordering MO are areas where you NEED to carry).

Your MO permit will allow you to have a loaded handgun in your vehicle ONLY.

 

[iflyem1]

Illinois doesnt have reciprocity with any state, and most states return the favor and will not allow IL residents to carry in their states.

 

[luisespinal]

Celebrating the passing of this bill, is the same as being happy for the scraps the king tosses to you under his table.

Ever been hungry?

My book is the Constitution, I'll accept no less. Compromise in support of anything else, is how the last generation got us in this mess.

No offense, but that is impractical rhetoric. It feels good to say it, to feel it. It won't get you what you want (your right to reasonable CCW laws.)

Compromise entails patience and diligence. If patience and diligence weren't political virtues, the Civil Rights Movement would have never triumphed, Gandhi would have never obtained India's independence, and so on and so on.

Life sucks, it's not fair, and sh*t get done by not losing sight of what's yours and knowing how to pick and fight your battles (and that entails compromise.) Rarely you get things done by blitzkrieg.

This is a world of imperfect laws and constitutions, relations and dynamics. If you (the "generic you", and not one in particular) want sh*t done, guess what, compromise is an inevitability.

However convoluted the new law is for you Illinois folks, it is a step away from turning into Kalifornistan. Other states that started with convoluted and mediocre CCW laws eventually worked their way up to better laws.

So it will be with your state... if you are smart and proactive and diligent about it.

This is pretty much a 12-round boxing match where whoever has the biggest balls and the hardest chin wins. This is round one.

You can either get ready for round two. Or you can simply throw the towel because you didn't get the KO on the opening round ... or get KO'ed by not going with a fight plan, whichever is worse.

 

[Scimmia]

Illinois doesnt have reciprocity with any state, and most states return the favor and will not allow IL residents to carry in their states.

Your neighbors to the west (Iowa and Missouri) and east (Indiana and Kentucky) recognize all valid permits. Everyone welcome.

Wisconsin has no reciprocity requirement, they'll probably recognize Illinois permits.

Overall, a good situation for anyone living close to a border.

 

[armoredman]

AZ also recognizes all permits, and visitors who are non-prohibited persons are automatically covered under our Constitutional Carry. IL residents may carry concealed in AZ with no permit required...however, please do read our laws when you do so. It's a short read.

 

[Prometheus]

It won't get you what you want (your [strike]right[/strike] privilege to reasonable CCW laws.)

Fixed it for you. You should look up the definition of Right, based on the rest of your post, that word doesn't mean what you think it does. The word you are looking for is privilege.

Two completely different things.