• You are using the old Black Responsive theme. We have installed a new dark theme for you, called UI.X. This will work better with the new upgrade of our software. You can select it at the bottom of any page.

I'm thinking I'm going to order an NAA super companion

Status
Not open for further replies.
Just get a piece of wire and wrap it around the casing to make a handle. That should be easy enough.

Gentleman of Charcoal,

Do you limit yourself to C&B pistols for a reason? I live in NYC, so carrying any pistol is pretty much out of question, but if you live in a free or a semi-free state you can actually get a permit and buy a cartridge firearm. Not to knock a C&B gun, they are as deadly as they were 150 yrs ago. Just wonder about your reasons.

What is the weight of the conicals for a .31? I think energy wise the NAA loaded with Bullseye and .31 loaded with 777 should be close.
 
I went and weighted one, 60 grains. It's very pointy, I supposed for penetration. I bought the mold, all brass, off Dixie Gun Works. I believe it's a replica of an original. It casts a ball and a conical.

Yeah, I was out running some numbers. Now, I know that .31 puts up around 60-70 ft lbs. My .22LR NAA only puts up 35-40 ft lbs (40 grain bullet at around 700 fps). I'm thinkin' I can top that and maybe get close to the .31. I only need 900+ fps to do it with a 30 grain pill. We'll see. But, really, I ain't so much worried about energy as I am penetration. The .22LR NAA is pathetic on penetration. It will burrow into a 1x4 and you can see the butt of the bullet in the hole. That's about it. Of course, a chunk if pine is denser than flesh, just sayin'. I mean, a good .38 will splinter the same board. Unfair comparison, I guess, but I'm just hoping for better penetration than with the .22 if I'm to actually have a USE for this thing. :D It will be fun to play with and experiment with in any case.

Yeah, I will try some safety wire for the scoop. Should work. :D
 
Man, you just trying to make me buy the .31, aren't you? If I get one, would you sell me some conicals? How big is that gun, anyway? What's better, a Colt or a Remington? I see one in my future...
 
I've been shooting the bullets that came with it(30 gr conicals?) and some buckshot (#4 I believe)... the bullets seem slightly more accurate... the buckshot went thru and thru on an plastic orange juice bottle at 4 or 5 yds... been using ffff and tried some 777 too.... i shot a phone book at about 5 feet and it went in(bullet) about 1/2 to 3/4 inch with 777. the buckshot penetrated a little better.
 
I did an informal 2x4'' penetration test, all Cabela's .22 conical,and using triple Seven vs 3F Goex [I don't have any 4f] I got nearly twice the penetration at 210 yards,the 3f bullets base was visible about a quarter inch below the board's surface,while I had to dig the Triple Seven bullet out with my pocket knife.
 
777 sounds like da stuff, alright. :D

Man, you just trying to make me buy the .31, aren't you? If I get one, would you sell me some conicals? How big is that gun, anyway? What's better, a Colt or a Remington? I see one in my future...

Mine's a Remington brass frame. About 15 years ago, Cabelas had it on sale, 65 bucks. Everything has gone up since then. If you get one, probably better to get a steel frame, but I couldn't resist the sale and, I mean, a .31 ain't gonna wear out a brass frame like a .44 will in a colt clone. The Remington or Colt is up to your tastes. I just went for the sale. :D

Just PM me about the bullets. I could get some to you, will have to cast 'em. Only have a few left. My gun shot WAY high when I got it. It had a bead front sight. I pulled that out and fitted a piece of brazing rod and trimmed it to adjust for elevation. It's a little much for a pocket gun, but it shoots to POA now. It ain't real accurate, but it ain't bad. At 50 feet I can hit a paper plate every shot, good as it need be, I reckon, for it's mission in life. It ain't a "kit gun" for chasing rabbits, though.

The loading lever is pretty flimsy. I'm wondering if the loading tool for the NAA might work with it. I'm going to see when it gets here. Gotta be really careful with the load lever on the gun. It's kinda cool, though, and if I had to use it for self defense, I know I can hit with it. It's got a 4" barrel and points really well, too. If I thought I needed to carry it, i'd probably just pull the front sight out so it wouldn't snag on stuff. Some of the .31s have a thumbnail front sight which would be better. I could probably figure something out, though, for a snagless sight if I had to. One thing I can say, it's very well timed, very tight, well constructed little gun. Amazing considering the price.
 

Attachments

  • PICT00231.jpg
    PICT00231.jpg
    280.4 KB · Views: 209
Batjka. No, there is no restrictions on the state and certainly not on me. I have used and owned many modern cased firearms in my life. I spent a lot of time in the Marines and much of that time in situations you don't even want to know about. I'm not in the Marines any more. Neither do I do Black Ops for the Federal Government anymore. I have no need to hose lead and neither do I feel the need to carry a firearm capable of hosing lead. Besides, a Black Powder firearm shooting round ball is a lot more accurate than modern cased. (relatively little drop and no walk). Oh, after you zero in and get the sights set one can hit with a modern cased with not much of a problem. I could tell you a lot about that but I don't really feel like getting off into it...I have permission to carry. Stay's in my wallet all the time. Uncle Sam like's for me to keep it with me.... I enjoy building my own 'round' as it were.... Wyoming dosen't pay much attention to people carrying firearms. Just don't wear it in public while going into stores, restuarants and what not while inside city limits unless it's nessacary or you forgot to take it off and leave it in the vehicle, and don't carry it concealed unless you have permission to do so and can produce said permission in the rare event it should be requested. Hell, there's 2 loaded guns out there in my pickup truck right now and in plain view. They stay there and it's not anybody's damn business and we don't care about that stuff anyway unless it's some damned idiot going crazy and trying to murder a bunch of people and if that happens then someone will just reach into their own pickup truck and put a screeching halt to that crazy sonofa*****.... I don't really shoot Black Powder. I use Triple Seven 3fff. I have alway's had good luck with it. I just get a good feeling hunting and messing around with Black Powder firearms. (the ones I finally decided on. I don't care anything about the rest of them. I'vd got what I want). A certain sense of history probably figure's into the equation a little also I guess despite the fact that I love my modern inline .45's. My Black Powder firearms are absolutely dependable and I take extreme exception to your question as to why I 'limit' myself by using Black Powder firearms. I don't feel limited at all....PS..I know you meant no harm with your question..PS AGAIN. All I shoot is swaged round lead balls except for my .45 inlines and the .22 Mini Mags--- '47=.457--'58=.451--'49=.323--Cattleman's Carbine=.451....
 
Last edited:
The only limit to black powder is reload speed. And, heck, you can carry spare cylinders if you're all THAT worried about it as with Pale Rider. :D The main reason NOT to carry BP for me is I don't live in the country where I can shoot them empty and reload with regularity. Also, there's far better choices in powerful modern handguns that hide better. Texas has no open carry. I do think I'd like to add a 5" Remington or maybe a short barreled Navy to my little BP collection eventually. There's a 5" remmy on sale at Cabelas right now that's tempting. This would give me something big that's more compact than my ROA and more powerful than my .31. But, it's not a real rush since I carry a .357 magnum and a .38 and plan to keep on keepin' on. I do have autos, but I sorta like my revolvers. And, firepower isn't an issue in self defense, as GOC points out. I just LIKE and always have, .38 and .357 revolvers.

I have the money at the moment for one gun. I've got all the cartridge guns I want and need for the moment. I thought it over, don't really need or want a shotgun. I'm a big time bird hunter, mostly waterfowl, both geese and ducks, and a dove hunter. I have two preferred shotguns for dove, one I can use that I've sort of retired. I have my favorite Mossberg pump for ducks with the Winchester 1400 (dove gun) capable. Then, I bought a 10 gauge H&R two years ago for geese and LOVE that thing. Talk about reach out there and knock 'em down! I've had to re-adjust my range limit thinkin' with that gun over 3" BB steel. I'm shooting 3.5" T shot out of it, friggin' cannon.

I absolutely don't need another big game/deer hog rifle. I don't have a lease anymore and my hunting is restricted to my place and stand. I can't see more'n 150 yards. Heck, most times I hunt with my contender pistol to put some challenge into it and am getting into bows again.

I really don't need another carry pistol and don't have any other handgun wants. BUT, I had thought about getting a micro .380 like the Ruger LCP. My buddy brought his new LCP down and I compared my old Grendel P12 to it and by danged the Grendel is the same size! It's a few ounces heavier and 1" wide vs about 0.8 for the LCP, but it has a double stack 11 round magazine, so the width is pretty worth it IMHO. That took the sting out of wanting an LCP, though.

So, then I got to thinkin' about what I'd want in BP since my BP collection consists of 3 guns. I coulda ordered the Remmy Cabelas has on sale, but I have, over the years, thought a lot about playing with a NAA mini Companion and that I might be able to get more out of it than my .22 and it might actually become a carry option. If I can do that, get it as accurate and more powerful (aka significantly better penetration) than my .22 NAA, I will buy a couple of spare cylinders for it. I'd thought of getting a .22 mag mini master, but the things have 4" barrels on 'em. They'd still fold up pocket size I reckon, but I've been unable to find one locally. I may still get one someday since it seems I'm building a small NAA collection now. :D But, a shorter barrel fits the carry thing better. The .22 mag, though, really needs 4" of barrel to be much better than a .22LR for defense. All it offers in the short barrels is a little over 100 fps more and a LOT more muzzle blast. Thing is, if I can get that Companion to perform on par with the short barrel mag, it'll be short and handy and more fun to shoot and play with and cheaper to feed and, well, it'll just be neat. :D I won't carry it daily as a back up as I do with my .22, requires unloading and reloading regularly. But, if I get into a situation where even my .380 is too much to conceal, rarely happens, but does, the little Companion could be an answer. If it don't work out, hell, it'll still be fun to play with and I'll likely keep it for that, anyway.

Anyway, all that was my thinkin' on the subject, twisted as you might think it. :D Funny, with cartridge guns I tend to try to justify a purchase. I like Browning pumps, BPS, and thought about saving up for a 10 gauge BPS, but money is a little tight and, well, I don't NEED it. It would displace other shotguns for waterfowling that I like. With black powder guns, though, I need no other justification to own them, really, other than pure fun. That's what BP is all about for me. So, i really can't go wrong getting a little NAA companion to play with way I see it. It may turn out not to be such a practical tool in the end, but still, it'll be fun.

That NAA mini master might offer better accuracy through being a lot easier to shoot. I may get one one of these days. I do have a little stainless Rossi 511 that's a tack driver, squirrel hunting accurate, that I carry when I'm fishing sometimes. The mini master would have to offer a lot to displace that gun as a kit gun. That gun has a 4" barrel and is J frame size, rides IWB very nice.

So, well, I'm happy with my decision. It's been two years since I bought anything new to play with and, hell, I have the urge for something new, don't really care about need. :D
 
I read somewhere that back during Texas's 'wild and wooly' days that although practically everyone walked around armed, one could not actually buy and own a revolver of any type. It had to be leased. It was never really your own and while they would lease one to anybody that walked in the door, it was still a lease and not a clear sale. I don't remember reading about when that law was enacted or when it was changed....
 
Wow, wasn't during MY lifetime. Never heard that tale, either, so I don't think it was in my grandpa's lifetime and he was born in 1899. Now, up until 1996, one could not legally carry and even having one in the car in easy reach was dicey. There was a "traveling" clause for defense, but no one had ever been found to be traveling in Harris County, I'm told. I carried, as did an estimated 1/4 the population of Texas, anyway. I had a tiny little POS .25 that actually functioned pretty well. It saved my bacon from a mugger once who was only armed with a knife. Just had to pull it and rack the slide to convince him to run. It was cheap and I figured it I had to chunk it in the bay, so be it. I also occasionally rode my motorcycle with a .44 caliber Navy replica in the saddlebags. Couldn't conceal it on my person, but it was comforting to know it was there if I could get to it. I really didn't wanna have to chunk my Ruger Security Six at the time. :D
 
Gentleman of the Charcoal,

I certainly did not mean any disrespect when I questioned you about your choice of a carry weapon. On the contrary, I find it extremely fascinating that you employ your BP pistols in this manner. You obviously are familiar with firearms and shooting and the fact that someone like yourself carries a BP pistol for SD reassures me in the value of these weapons.

As far as the .31 goes, a conical should give you more weight thus more energy and penetration.

So how does a 60 gr bullet at 700 fps compare to, say, ballistics of a revolver chambered in .32 Long?

Figures I had from someone that chronographed .22 LR Companion loaded with Bullseye was 30 gr slug at 800 fps. Pretty respactable. Super Companion with Bullseye or 777 should be able to reach 900 fps.

The issue with shooting Bullseye in Super Companion is that the cylinder pin flexes and bends under recoil and binds the cylinder. This doesn't happen in .22 Mag revolvers, but a Super Companion cylinder is slightly longer than a cartridge version to prevent cylinder compatability.
 
I'd stick with the Triple Seven. That stuff is plenty BARKY! and definatly get the ''magnum''. not only does it allow you to get a decent charge in the cylinder,it puts the side blast [it's a revolver] away from your trigger finger's knuckle. Shooting my little .22 lr for 15 rounds was painfull,so I swapped it off to someone with smaller hands.
 
Can you please post a picture of the Companion next to .31 and the j-frame for size comparisson?
 
If no one else does, and I remember (probably won't be here for a couple of weeks) I will. I have Taurus 85 which is J frame size, close enough for size comparos.

So how does a 60 gr bullet at 700 fps compare to, say, ballistics of a revolver chambered in .32 Long?

So close the target isn't going to know the difference. The .32 long can shoot a little heavier bullet, but a 2" gun is right there with the .31 ballistically. Ain't exactly a .38 +P, but I wouldn't wanna be on the receiving end of it.

800 fps ain't bad! My little .22LR with it's preferred 38 grain Federals is around 700 IIRC.
 
Batjka..Hey man, no offense taken. I know you were only asking. I don't shoot much anymore anyway. Maybe a bit of hunting here and there but nothing to write home about. Have a good day Batjka....
 
Allright, we're all on the same page.

I checked out a steel-framed .31 Remington on Cabela's website. The reviews are mixed to say the least. People say that the loading ram doesn't extend into the chambers as it is larger in diameter. One guy said that the gun loaded with .312 ball and 15 gr of 777 "barely" penetrated a 2x4 at point blank range. Now, not all 2x4s are created equal, but will it have enough penetration?

The Box O' Truth had a penetration test performed using .44 cal black powder guns:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu66.htm

I wonder how .44 revolvers, the .36 revolvers and the .31 revolvers, as well as the Companion perform given the same criteria. Any volunteers to check it out?
 
Yeah, they're really pretty wimpy, but I kinda think that's the purpose of those pointy 60 grain conicals, penetration. I'll try to get a pic of one up here, maybe put a .38 SWC or something next to it for comparison. I haven't shot wood with it, should do that. I'm going to pick me up some 777 soon, have never tried that in the .31, either.

I don't know about the rams in THEIR .31s, but mine fits in the cylinders. It's an ASM produced gun which is an Italian manufacturer. My gripe with the load lever is it seems pretty fragile, could be stronger.
 
Batjka..Buy yourself a Uberta 1849 Colt Pocket .31 with the 4 inch barrel. Also buy yourself a Baby Flask, 1 pound of Triple Seven 3fff, 2 or 3 packs of .323 swaged round lead balls, and a couple of tins (or the 1000 count) of Remington #10 percussion caps. Load, carry, and shoot with confidence..I'm through with the subject....
 
It just got here today. Thank you Mr. George, pleasure doin' business with ya! We have some bad weather comin' and I have to work tomorrow anyway, so the range trip will be up coming. Friggin' road to the range is all mudded up, might have to take the dirt bike down there, pack the chronograph in a back pack or something. Whatever it takes. :D

I haven't forgotten about a comparison shot with the .31 and a snubby .38, but haven't gotten to it, yet.

jpy5xu.jpg
 
For plinking fun with the companion use .22 cal airgun pellets and JUST a percusion cap, no powder I like the CCI magnum caps for this
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top