Importance of ‘BP load development’ to find the BEST group!

For other things ultimate accuracy is less important. I often hunt with combinations that are not the most accurate. They have been historically (for me) the most deadly though.
Truth. I hunt and wander around in Mr. Grizz's backyard, so I give up some accuracy for a hard-hitting load. 110 grains of Swiss in my Jeager, and 140-150 grain loads in Bessie. Overkill for deer, but no such thing as overkill when/if grizz wants to bite me. :) A trade off I'm "comfortable" with.
 
Of course that is just one picture and one group. I did fire a few more groups of the same load to confirm.

.009 linen patch worked much better than a .014 pillow Ticking patch. So I guess I did do some load development. I just never changed the charge. Just the patch.
 
Of course that is just one picture and one group. I did fire a few more groups of the same load to confirm.

.009 linen patch worked much better than a .014 pillow Ticking patch. So I guess I did do some load development. I just never changed the charge. Just the patch.
There are those magical times when your starting point just happens to be "the load". It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's a great feeling.
 
Does lighter loads kill them less dead? 🤔
With bigger, more lively critters like elk, and especially Grizzly bears I think yes, they can kill them less dead. We don’t have Grizzlies in our backyard, (yet) but elk are pretty stout and pretty tenacious and light loads may kill them eventually… long track if it’s a bull elk, long fight if it’s one of @Ugly Sauce grizzer bears.
 
There are those magical times when your starting point just happens to be "the load". It doesn't happen often, but when it does, it's a great feeling.

Truth!!! I used a 90 grain charge in my .50 with a PRB. When I got my .54 I was figuring a charge of somewhere between 100-110 grains. I figured a 90 grain charge would be a good starting point and the thing was just dead on. I went up to 110 grains in 5 grain increments but 90 was it's sweet spot.
 
I am kinda confused about this process especially about shooting random shots, care to break that down in a little more detail?
 
I am kinda confused about this process especially about shooting random shots, care to break that down in a little more detail?
Here's what I said on Page 1:

"Note - One does NOT shoot all of one charge at once, but shoot them in a random pattern, as then 'statistically' you will have normalized the data by eliminating YOUR bias and spreading any human-induced variation across ALL of the shots and groups.

Examples of such bias are your aim/hold, light on the target, cheek and/or shoulder position or pressure, yanking the trigger or like when you begin to shoot poorly towards the end when tired. Any such factor - independent of the load - could adversely influence or bias any ot the last group's results. Statistically said, shooting them in a round-robin manner thus significantly increases the confidence you can place in the results. For consistency, I pre-load the charges in plastic tubes marked with the charge weight."

Let's say your going to start @ 50-grains and shoot 50, 55, 60 and 65-grains. Do NOT shoot all of the group of 50-grains before you go onto other charges. Which is WHY I make them up ahead of time at home, I use plastic test tubes with caps, but just makes simple/rolled paper cartridges. Vary the next one you shoot ... start anywhere ... shoot one 60g load at the bullseye marked for the 60g group, then shoot one 50g at the 50g target, then one 55g at the 55g bullseye, and so on ... until you've shot 3 or 5 at each bullseye. This normalizes any shooter influenced bias.

Try it, it really works! Like I said, someone was arguing with me about it, so I offered to put $1,000 down on the table where I could find a better group than what they may have had ... and VOILA ... they did! I didn't take their money, haha, as I'm just trying to educate people about 'nodes' and the benefits they offer IF/when you identify them. The node is a 'target' load range to further play with (only if you want to, some might be happy with what they get). Like try a few grains lower or higher and with more shots in the group to find YOUR best group, for that fire lock, that patch, that lube and then the charge.

Change any of them and likely you'll need to repeat the sequence. Note I also expressly use a 6 o'clock hold when doing this, as you are shooting for groups and many studies have proven that sight picture to be the optinum one to use whilst shooting for groups. One can adjust their point of impact, vs. their point of aim, later. Below is the 1st time I ever tried it (over 10-years ago now!) and I've done it since on multiple DOZENS of arms, BP and centerfire, for me and others. Heck, I even do it for rimfire, but the only thing i changes is the brand used (barrel cleaned between brands, and 5-shots shot into the berm to season the bore to the new brand bullet's lube).

In this case below it was a 65-cal 54" barreled early French flintlock fusil de boucanier. I continued on with heavier charges and also identified the tighest shootin' group (ragged 1-hole group!) using 1Fg charges around 100-grains. On this one, both 55 and 75 showed promise., but look for yourselves how the other charges threw shots out wide because the barrel was whipping so much after the powder ignition and as the ball progressed down the barrel.

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When I get a new rifle I shoot a five shot group from the bench and then adjust the sights. Once I'm sighted in I shoot another five shot group. Once that's done it never sees a bench again.
Live to be a shaky as I am and you will shoot from a bench if you intend to hit anything except eventually the ground.
 
I rightly don't see an advantage to this method. It seems like you would get there just the same as working up in 5 grn steps without doing all this random stuff. Maybe I am missing something here.
 
If I live that long I probably will. I just don't like shooting off a bench.

After reaching a certain age you will appreciate being able to sit down and keeping your sights on the target instead of just waving around over most everything down range. Light rifles turn into heavy ones and heavy ones get left at home.
 
Yes, yes you are …

I'm "one of those guys" who finally adopted Lefty's method to quickly find the best load of 4 options for a BP target load -- and it worked for me.

As he noted, the "3 shots" fired at each powder charge are intended to get you the "best starting load" to further develop -- but you don't end there. Those who said that "3 shots aren't enough" are correct -- but it gives you the best place to start. And I haven't done it yet, but my next range trip will involve 4 new powder charges that are +/-2 & +/-4 grains above & below the "best starting load". Those new charges will be fired into 5-shot groups, and they will be "fired randomly", as Lefty advises.

To me, the benefit of "shooting around the clock" at the target with the 4 bullseyes is that it normalizes any "less-than-perfect" shots fired due to wind, hold, focus or shooter fatigue -- especially due to the c-c-c-cold range conditions -- as I shot my series when it was 22 degrees out with a very cold wind. I was more comfortable for the first cycle around the target than I was on the last one, that's for darn sure.

Thanks to Lefty for posting about this method. Use it or not, critique it if you must -- but it works.

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After reaching a certain age you will appreciate being able to sit down and keeping your sights on the target instead of just waving around over most everything down range. Light rifles turn into heavy ones and heavy ones get left at home.

I can't build anything permanent out here. If I had one it would have to be lightweight and portable. If I need a brace I just prop across the bed of my pickup. Not ideal. :rofl: Can you believe an 8mm Mauser round didn't punch through from a distance of about three feet? Might be something to think about when talking about going after Mr Griz with a PRB.

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