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SO, I never usually do this but I bought a Daniels Defense DD5V1 today. Its a AR-10 in 308 and from what little I researched its not a bad one, I hope.

I guess some back story is in order but I did some horse trading and got this rifle. I was not expecting to buy this gun but impulse and the price that was offered for the gun I traded got the best of me. I own an AR-15 and three lowers that I put away so the Ar-10 bug just got me I guess.

I am wanting to use it to deer hunt with as I probably would not plink much with it as its 308 and costly.

So what kind of scope would you put on this rifle?

What kind of ammo would you buy??

I reload my own but I understand this rifle has a 1:11 twist. with a 16 inch barrel. So I will need to start with some basic rounds for awhile before I have enough brass to reload as I presently have never owned a 308.
 
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What length barrel? Either way for hunting any standard 3-9x40 or 4-12x40 will be plenty scope for that rifle. Nikon, Leupold, Redfield, Burris etc.

For ammo just get the cheapest name brand brass cased ammo you can and keep it for reloading.

My personal preference is for Winchester brass for the economi, but I find that their factory ammo is the least accurate for me and my rifles.
 
.308 FMJ can be had for about $0.50 per round. As for scope, I like my Leupold 2.5-8x36, sitting in an Aero Precision mount. Very lightweight at 14oz for the combo.
 
sorry for a possibly silly point, but DD typically does their 5.56's milspec, so i was wondering if yours is in 7.62 nato or .308; because my armalite ar10 is in 7.62 nato and it is not supposed to be fed .308.
 
StratoWack said:
sorry for a possibly silly point, but DD typically does their 5.56's milspec, so i was wondering if yours is in 7.62 nato or .308; because my armalite ar10 is in 7.62 nato and it is not supposed to be fed .308.
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Based on the premise I have never heard of any "mil-specs" for an AR-10, I am not quite sure how they would go about building a "mil-spec" AR-10 type rifle.....
 
newfalguy101 said:
Based on the premise I have never heard of any "mil-specs" for an AR-10, I am not quite sure how they would go about building a "mil-spec" AR-10 type rifle.....
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There were several military customers of various early versions of the AR10 - most notably Portugal and Italy.

That said, you probably don't want a mil-spec AR10. There have been numerous improvements from various manufacturers that make the better of the modern variants much much nicer.
 
folsoh said:
SO, I never usually do this but I bought a Daniels Defense DD5V1 today. Its a AR-10 in 308 and from what little I researched its not a bad one, I hope.

I am wanting to use it to deer hunt with as I probably would not plink much with it as its 308 and costly.

So what kind of scope would you put on this rifle?

What kind of ammo would you buy??

I reload my own but I understand this rifle has a 1:11 twist. with a 16 inch barrel. So I will need to start with some basic rounds for awhile before I have enough brass to reload as I presently have never owned a 308.
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1. The kind of scope you put on it depends on the ranges you intend to use it for and on the precision your rifle is capable of. I would probably put a 3.5-10X Leupold on it.

2. If you reload, rather than buying ammunition you really don't want to use for hunting, you would probably be better off buying components and reloading for it. If you buy ammunition just to get the brass, you will still in the end have to get components to reload and test.

3. I have had at least 5 firearms chambered in 308 Winchester and still have a couple. You can ignore the civilian versus military spec ammo supposed issue in the 308 Winchester and 223 Remington.

4. As far as what brass to buy, military would be the cheapest but you have the extra labor of removing the primer crimp. In a brass endurance test Norma did the best at 24 reloadings to failure but Remington plain and nickel plated also did pretty well at 20 and 22 shots to failure respectively. Winchester brass went 14 shots to failure. So, if economy is your goal, Remington brass is probably the best choice.

5. Too much is made of the old saw that "every gun is different." While some guns do have load preference idiosyncrasies, many times a good bullet/powder in one would be good in another. Manuals such as the Hornady, Nosler and Lyman manuals indicate what preferred powders tended to be. For 165/168 grain bullets I use IMR 4064, for 150 grain bullets I use IMR 8208 XBR and for 180 grain bullets IMR 3031. Years ago I used Winchester 760 with 220 grain bullets.
 
correct llama bob.
but of course (to newfalguy) i didnt imply there were milspec ar10's. i made reference to DD's milspec in relation to it dictating they manufacture AR's in 5.56 as opposed to .223; and thus assuming they'd chamber their ar10 types in military 7.62 nato, and not .308.
and yes, llama bob, the compatibility issue is the opposite as with 5.56 and .223 chambered ar's: .308 shouldnt be fired in an armalite ar10 (7.62 nato), but an ar chambered for .308 can shoot 7.62 nato. the theory is the hotter .308, with a thinner case, in a 7.62 nato chamber's longer/wider headspace, can overexpand causing case rupture, and possibly damage the weapon due to the higher .308 pressures. i think the latter issue may be more theory cause though the initial pressure would be higher, i assume the extra space would result in ultimately lower pressures microseconds later. regardless, armalite (and i think other companies that make ar's chambered for 7.62 nato, will void your warranty if you want a repair and they learn you've been feeding the weapon .308
this might be a manufacturer thing, cause i think SAAMI treats the two cartridges the same.
 
7.62 or .308

Armalite says either/or. Check their FAQs on their web page.
They also do not recommend steel cased ammo, can scratch the chamber.
 
many years ago i spoke to one of their smiths on the phone and he cautioned me away from .308 so as not to chance a warranty question. i reload, so i use nato so i dont damage my brass.
anyway, my point to the OP still stands--he should know the specifics of DD's stance on the issue.
 
I would think they would dishonor their warranty quicker if they knew you shot reloads , than factory 308s
 
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Armalite says either/or. Check their FAQs on their web page.
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I was pretty sure that was the case.

I have never encountered, nor have I ever seen or read any credible evidence, of ammo incompatibility between .308 and 7.62 NATO. It's an internet myth.
 
StratoWack said:
cause i think SAAMI treats the two cartridges the same.
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This is the key point. From SAAMI's perspective, they are two names for the same thing. This is also basically technically correct although there is some history.

What it means is that any load that can legally be sold as .308 in the US could also be legally sold a 7.62. So if some rifle didn't work with one, it also just as likely wouldn't work with the other, because it could easily be the exact same ammo.

Don't buy trouble where it doesn't exist :eek:
 
It's an internet myth.
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Thanks bob. There are always those that are ready to repeat the so called differences. It will not be long before some wanna be ammo engineer quotes meaningless measurements to show how wrong you are. I have used both interchangeable all my long life without issue and reload 308 and use those reloads in my bolts and semi autos. Good stuff sir.
 
I have a 2-7 Nikon on mine . Also depending on the state you live in. It might require you to use 5 round magazine for hunting.
 
Llama Bob said:
This is the key point. From SAAMI's perspective, they are two names for the same thing. This is also basically technically correct although there is some history.



What it means is that any load that can legally be sold as .308 in the US could also be legally sold a 7.62. So if some rifle didn't work with one, it also just as likely wouldn't work with the other, because it could easily be the exact same ammo.



Don't buy trouble where it doesn't exist :eek:
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Casefull said:
Thanks bob. There are always those that are ready to repeat the so called differences. It will not be long before some wanna be ammo engineer quotes meaningless measurements to show how wrong you are. I have used both interchangeable all my long life without issue and reload 308 and use those reloads in my bolts and semi autos. Good stuff sir.
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Quentin said:
My new ArmaLite definitely is marked 7.62 but .308 is allowed, too. I've fired both with no trouble.

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thank you, gentlemen. very enlightening.
 
Thanks for the great responses. The receiver on the Daniels Defense rifle is marked 7.62 but the owners manual says it can shoot 308 with no problems.

But I understand that I might get more reloads out of 7.62 brass or is that a myth as well?

I am thinking Leupold 3 x 9. I have one V6 of theirs and it hard to beat.
 
just got my dpms g11 and i put a vortex crossfire ll 6x18 on it. medium high rings for 300 or less you can't go wrong with this package. the only thing with factory ammo is the gun will not like the real short stuff it needs to be close to mag length fmj
 
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