No, you miss my point.
The thread was about the decision of whether or not we would up armor ourselves in some way (most specifically either by carrying a higher powered handgun, or by going about our daily lives with a rifle stowed in our car trunks) in response to recent mass shootings and/or terrorism.
So I started to look and try to find out if there were numbers available which would indicate whether or not such a response makes sense. Because truly if this threat is at all likely to impact me personally, then I should prepare. And if so, HOW should I prepare? What responses are likely to actually improve my odds?
Throughout this entire thread I have repeated that it is perfectly reasonable to carry a heavier handgun, or to carry a rifle around in your car, just because you
WANT to.
But the more I have looked into the matter, the less and less present and likely any of these risks appear to be. And the more I have tried to explore how some of the suggested responses to these threats, such as carrying a rifle around in our car trunks, might help us in those situations, the less useful such plans appeared.
This is an open forum: any member is welcome to post whatever statistics they can find which would support their assertions. I would very much appreciate it in fact. Somebody post something with some actual mathematical logic to it that says wow yes this is a pretty serious problem that we all might face. So far we've had a lot of people basically say I don't care about statistics or I don't like these statistics that you keep bringing up, but nobody's been able to say why they're wrong or why my view of them is wrong.
So far I can't find any means by which I can accept that this is a pressing need. That this is a reasonable and useful response to something that is a common enough problem in our society for anyone to make a personal effort to prepare for, or that the rifle in the trunk idea is actually a good and useful response even if the problem was significant and likely.
I suspect that many here who ponder their personal risk, in an attempt to be prepared for a worst-case situation, don't obsess about statistics and let numbers guide their preparation
To say that those who consider preparing for their personal defense, "don't obsess about statistics," really highlights why I've become involved in this thread.
We gun owners talk about how our positions are rational, our fears and concerns are realistic, it's the other guys who don't understand science or don't understand statistics or don't understand logic. The antis are all idiots, just ask us.
But when we start to try to dissect whether or not there is a realistic problem that we should be worried about, and that we should lift a finger to prepare for in our own lives, well now we really don't want to talk about whether or not a threat is common or uncommon, or galactically unlikely. Now statistics is some kind of Hokum, some kind of enemy. Not to be trusted.
Human beings are really not wired to understand how to think about numbers that are very small or very large. We can't grasp the context of things that are microscopic, or atomic, or sub-atomic, and we can't really get a practical hold of the size of a solar system or galaxy or the universe. We understand a gallon or a mile, or a hundred miles, or a cubic inch, but not what a population of 323,100,000 looks like. What an individuals place in such a mass really is. Similarly, we don't commonly have the ability to relate our own lives to chance happenings on the order of magnitude of 1 in 17 million. 17 million sounds big, but somehow, if that thing happened to someone, it COULD happen to us. At least that's how our brains react. But from a pragmatic point of view, that's not really true.
With assistance such as this, most states shall have no problem getting magazine capacity laws installed and semi-auto rifle bans put in place. What a truly awesome, 2nd Amendment inspired post -- by a moderator, no less.
And now I'm told to believe that a person who has volunteered a fair chunk of the last 10 years of his life to helping shepherd along an internet forum devoted to promoting a very hard line interpretation of the Second Amendment right to bear arms, is touting the anti-gun platform if he dares take a scientific look at actual rates of risks and deaths, or tries to speak plainly about how one might really be able to use a rifle in the circumstances under discussion.
There's no "political angle" I've seen in this thread that anyone's objecting to;
When you tell me that I should not report the statistics that I find, or should not speak my mind about whether or not those statistics point to a threat anyone should feel the need to prepare for, or you tell me that it isn't appropriate that I pursue the discussion of how useful a rifle locked in a trunk is when in the face of one of these attacks that have been brought up as a reason to carry such a thing -- because saying those things might give aid and comfort to the other side -- then that is arguing against truthfulness out of political expediency.
Old Dog, if that's what you meant to say, then I say that's the act of a coward.