In need of suggestions for 30-30 “Miniature” bullets

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I’ve always made these with 100 gr Speer or Hornady 30 carbine half jacketed bullets, but the Speers haven’t been available for a while, and I believe the Hornadys have been discontinued. So, I find myself in need of a replacement bullet option. My normal load is fast pistol powder pushing the jacketed bullets at 1,400 fps. I guess I could go with a coated 32-20 bullet sized down to .310-.311 to fit my Marlin, but that requires buying and then the extra step of sizing down the .313 bullets. I have used cast 30 carbine bullets, but they don’t have a crimp groove, and my dies roll crimp, so that isn’t ideal either.

Does anyone have a line on where I might be able to purchase Speer 100 gr plinkers or a properly sized cast or coated bullet?
 
110 gr .308" if a larger diameter is needed, do another search. Like -

  • 100 gr
  • Brand Bayou Brass And Ammo
  • Cal .311" diam. Lead bullets.
Thanks. I looked through those, but they are either spire points or fmj 30 carbine bullets. I really like the soft points because I can use them for small varmints, and spire points are a no-no in 30-30s.

I have found some 130 gr flat points that I might be able to adapt.
 
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I am glad I can cast 'em. seems like these pro casters should have something worth trying.
 

110 GR "carbine" RNSP. I shoot these in my 30-06 camp rifle at similar speeds and they do very well.
 

110 GR "carbine" RNSP. I shoot these in my 30-06 camp rifle at similar speeds and they do very well.
Thanks. I think that's as close as I'm going to find. There hasn't been much availability of soft point .30 carbine bullets for quite a while. I might have to taper crimp instead of roll crimping though.
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/29125 You could also give these a try. Designed for 7.62 Tokarev, so upwards of 1600 fps should be GTG. I bet they'd turn varmints inside out!
I've used these many times in my M1 Carbine, and they are little screamers. Not much good for long distance, but under 100 yards they are deadly on varmints.
 
The supposition that spire-point bullets will fire the next primer in a tubular magazine is pure myth.
I agree, and I've watched a bunch of videos of people trying to do it.... I load a pretty small meplat boolit in a lot of lever guns.... when I ask what is the minimum meplat size I get crickets. I will not load fmj that's just begging for it.
 
I agree, and I've watched a bunch of videos of people trying to do it.... I load a pretty small meplat boolit in a lot of lever guns.... when I ask what is the minimum meplat size I get crickets. I will not load fmj that's just begging for it.
The real problems are the lifter, feed ramp and loading gate. All of the above will damage pointy bullet tips, catch and jam the mechanism. The Winchester 95, Browning 81 and Savage 99 are exceptions, obviously. They’re also not tube fed with loading gates and lifters.
 
The real problems are the lifter, feed ramp and loading gate. All of the above will damage pointy bullet tips, catch and jam the mechanism. The Winchester 95, Browning 81 and Savage 99 are exceptions, obviously. They’re also not tube fed with loading gates and lifters.
My rcbs 358-180-sil was the boolit in mind when I responded. I'm sure it would make a purest uncomfortable.
 
Yeah the 110 gr bullets for plinking. You may consider casting your own ”boolits”. I can supply my SIL with unlimited amounts of cast and gas checked .309” 160 gr cast bullets for his .30-30.
 
I loaded up a couple hundred bayou bullet coated 30 carbine bullets in 30-30 cases last year for my daughter to get used to centerfire rifles. The coating did a pretty good job. I had a little bit of color stay in the barrel and on the crown but very little. I dialed down a couple tenths of a grain and that went away but we didn’t shoot much of the second batch.
 
:oops::oops:o_O………………WHAT….!!!!???
Copy pasta from a Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/2jc8nt
"Everyone knows that putting spitzer bullets into a tubular magazine is just asking for missing fingers, right? Wrong. As the linked article demonstrates, the likelihood of a detonation in a tubular magazine due to a bullet striking a primer under recoil is extremely low. Additionally, even if a detonation were to occur, the worst that would happen would be a bit of noise and smoke. No one is losing any fingers.

During the first half of the experiment, Ballou was unable to produce a detonation with flat point or rounded bullets, but was in fact able to detonate a primer using a spitzer bullet. However, it should also be noted that this was under "beyond-worst-case" (Ballou, 2001, p. 73) conditions. A 2 pound ball peen hammer generates far more force than a cartridge will experience under recoil in a magazine tube. Bear in mind that even under these conditions, it took the author 5 attempts to set off the primer due to the lead of the soft point absorbing the blow. Ballou states that he did not attempt the experiment with a FMJ bullet, asserting that "The results with the jacketed spitzer bullet indicate that a pointed FMJ bullet would have probably fired the primer on the first whack" (Ballou, 2001, p. 73).

What can we gather from this portion of his experiment? Pointed FMJ bullets may be a bad idea (more on the "may" part of that later) but primer detonations are extremely unlikely with any other bullet design, including spitzer soft points.

During the second half of the experiment, Ballou discovers something that makes the above detonations even more unlikely. This is the fact that the preceding bullet is not fully resting on the primer of the cartridge in front of it, if even at all. Ballou (2001) states that "This makes sense, as virtually all cartridges used in the tubular magazine are tapered to a certain extent or have a pronounced rim, or both, causing them to generally lay at the slight angle when loaded in the magazine" (p. 74). He further states that "In the case of flat-point bullets that have a meplat (nose) that's almost as large in diameter as the primer, probably the bullet's nose will be largely supported by the case itself. This fact alone adds greatly to the safety of the tubular magazine concept" (Ballou, 2001, p. 74). The above observations, in my opinion, also contribute to the safety of pointed FMJ bullets in a magazine tube, hence my statement earlier that they may be a bad idea. I am not ambitious enough to attempt the author's experiment for myself and find out, so we will have to guess.

The main point of the second half of Ballou's experiment was to demonstrate that even in the extremely unlikely case of a detonation, not only is there not going to be a chain reaction that sets off every cartridge in the tube, but there is not any danger to the shooter should a single cartridge detonate. When he forces a detonation, he describes the results thusly:

First, there was a report about equal in loudness to a child's

cap gun, followed by a small amount of smoke drifting out

from under the bucket. Waiting a few minutes, I carefully

removed the magazine's end plug and slid the contents out.

Two cartridges, sooty on the outside and with their bullets

telescoped back part way into the cases, were followed by

the virtually undamaged bullet of the first cartridge, a lot of

unburned powder, and finally the cartridge's case, ruptured

for about half of its length. The device, however, was fully

intact and undamaged. (Ballou, 2001, p. 74)

What can we conclude from the second half of Ballou's experiment? Mostly that in the unlikely event of a magazine detonation, "the real danger to the shooter would be from escaping gas" (Ballou, 2001, p. 75) which is just another reason to always wear eye protection while shooting.

In conclusion, I think that this article (which I had to buy in order to read by the way) puts to rest any worry on tubular magazine detonations. The risk of detonation, even with pointed bullets, is very minimal, and should a detonation occur against all odds, no one is going to be losing any fingers. A recoil impulse simply does not generate enough force to set off a primer, and a cartridge detonation in a loose "chamber" is not very dangerous. Whether or not pointed bullets in a cartridge such as .30-30 that is only useful out to a few hundred yards are even worth using is a debate for another day, but should someone choose to load them no one is going to be making a trip to the hospital."

 
The polymer-tipped bullets are probably even better

 
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If you feel the need to load a bunch of rounds in the tubular magazine, you probably want strong neck-tension and factory-crimp (collet-type - not roll-crimp) crimping die when no cannelure.

And there's this, if you simply MUST have a cannelure.

 
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