(IN) Teen wins lawsuit about dress code (USMC Creed)

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Teen wins lawsuit about dress code

Judge found that the policy was “overly broad†and should not have prohibited Marine Corps creed.

From wire, staff reports

Fort Wayne Community Schools officials violated an Elmhurst High School student’s free-speech rights when they suspended him for wearing a T-shirt bearing the likeness of an M-16 rifle and the text of the Marine Corps creed, a federal court ruled Friday.

The district suspended Nelson Griggs in March 2003 for violating a provision of the school dress code that prohibits students from wearing clothing depicting “symbols of violence.â€

Griggs, now a 17-year-old junior at Elmhurst, and his father, David, sued the school system in U.S. District Court in Fort Wayne in February 2004, arguing the dress code was overly broad. U.S. Magistrate Judge Roger B. Cosbey agreed in his 30-page ruling Friday.

“Schools are under undeniable pressure to prevent student violence,†and the anti-violence section of the dress code is “a reasonable, constitutional tool toward that end,†Cosbey wrote. But in the case of Griggs’ Marine creed shirt, officials went too far, the ruling said.

“Griggs’ shirt has no relation to the (school) board’s legitimate concerns about school violence, nor is it likely to disrupt the educational process,†wrote Cosbey.

Nelson Griggs wore the T-shirt to Elmhurst High School on March 17, 2003, and was told by an official he would be disciplined if he wore it again. But he believed the shirt was protected under the First Amendment and wore it again the next day, court documents said.

Then, Elmhurst Principal Laura Taliaferro ordered the teen to serve an in-school suspension and told him he would be given an out-of-school suspension if he wore the shirt again, the documents said.

Griggs did not wear the shirt again and the dispute was not entered in his record, according to court documents.

“I can’t really make any comment about anything right now,†Griggs said.

The dispute over the shirt occurred about six months after Elmhurst senior Cheri Sue Hartman was kidnapped, tortured and shot, the ruling noted, and students still were trying to cope with the effects of her murder.

The murder did not happen near the school, but relatives of Hartman and those later convicted in her death still attended the school and occasionally confronted each other, court documents said.

School officials objected in particular to a part of the text on the shirt that read, “ I must shoot him before he shoots me,†the document said. The creed is also known as “My Rifle.â€

“We haven’t seen the ruling yet,†FWCS spokeswoman Debbie Morgan said. “When we get the ruling, we’ll review it. But we’ll certainly comply with the ruling.â€

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/news/local/11120452.htm
 
All I have to say is that it bothers me when the courts need to be tied up over a school policy. It usually means that someone somewhere got into some position of power and felt the need to use it.
 
Good for the lad!

The Marines are a significant part of what's kept American civil rights strong enough for leftist extremists to voice their @#$%^&*! opinions. All those Marines haven't fought and died so leftist extremists can turn their @#$%^&*! opinions into law.
 
yes sir, those zero tolerance policies sure are working arent they???

hasnt anyone clued in to the fact they simply dont work???

oh thats right, its all about feeling good, not if it actually does anything.

touchy feely policies that put some numbskulls mind at ease but does little to address the problems it supposedly fixes does not impress nor does it instill in me any confidence in the public school system.
 
On one hand I think I want to be back in Highschool, and wear my old JROTC marksmanship medals. Then get in trouble for it.

On the other hand I dont want Churchill style teaching either.....
 
Now if the kid wore a Brady Bunch shirt would y'all be supporting his right to wear it? (ya know which brady bunch I mean)

WildkidsshouldwearuniformstoschoolAlaska
 
As a matter of fact, I would. The First Amendment doesn't protect just speech I agree with.

I've got a very radical view of the proposed flag desecration amendment, too, if anyone wants to hear it.
 
WA: Of course we would!

Now more food for thought, what about "I like having abortions, they tickle" shirt eh guys? What about "I like killing little puppies infront of their owners"

Same principle applies. Your point may be salient, or stupid and innane. I may not agree with it, but I will defend with my life your RIGHT to express it.
 
"Symbols of violence"? The school is in FORT WAYNE!!! For the love of Vishnu, this state isn't known as a place where fluffy bunny views helped anything. We killed and didn't wring our hands about it. Geez.

The city was named for whom? And Mad Anthony Wayne was known for giving out free muffins and hugs to the Indians?

The city's name is a symbol of violence. When blissninnies attack . . . :rolleyes:
 
"Symbols of violence"? The school is in FORT WAYNE!!! For the love of Vishnu, this state isn't known as a place where fluffy bunny views helped anything. We killed and didn't wring our hands about it. Geez

Fort Wayne isn't exactly the epitome of liberal thinking, but it's as close as you're likely to come in Indiana outside of Gary. My cousin (who attended Elmhurst BTW) has a theory that the city actually attracts liberal refugees from the cornfields that start on the edge of town :D
 
Since the student won the lawsuit, does that mean that Elmhurst Principal Laura Taliaferro will have to personally pony up monetary compensation and legal fees for violating his Constitutional rights under color of authority?

It should.

If not, it will illustrate one of my pet peeves - laws are written to apply to government officials, but there are almost NEVER any legal consequences to be borne by those officials who violate the law. So they're free to do so again . . . and again . . . and yet again.
 
Now if the kid wore a Brady Bunch shirt would y'all be supporting his right to wear it?
Yes.

If he had been wearing a Brady Bunch shirt, do you think they would have said anything to him?
 
Now if the kid wore a Brady Bunch shirt would y'all be supporting his right to wear it? (ya know which brady bunch I mean)

I dunno about everyone else (I suspect they feel the same way, but I won't make assumptions), but I think most of us would roll our eyes and mock the wearer of such a shirt, but certainly support their right to wear it. I might want to slug the hardcore communist at my school in the throat every time he wears his ridiculous commie-star-adorned cap, and his field jacket festooned (is that the right word?) with a hojillion and three patches espousing verious forms of communism, socialism, and leftyism, but if someone tried to keep him from wearing it because of the content of those patches, I think I'd have the integrity to step in on his side of the argument.


WildkidsshouldwearuniformstoschoolAlaska

As much as I hate putting on this damnable uniform everyday, I think it's better than the alternative. As ridiculous as it sounds, clothing does play a major role in the interactions between students. First off, clothing is an immediate indicator of someone's socioeconomic status (that same status can easily be inferred by, say, noticing that someone has an iPod in their pocket, and parks a brand new Escalade in the parking lot, but it's not as immediately apparent as the most brand-new pimp-shiny clothes on the market); people in my class come from all kinds of economic backgrounds -- Classmate K, for example, comes from a family in Afghanistan that owns some kind of huge business, and they are loooaaaded, while others in my class live on the lower end of the middle class scale -- but our uniforms put us all on equal footing, at least in that one, obvious way.

The other side-effect of proper uniforms is sexual. I'm staggered when I go to public schools for art competitions or the like, or when I'm simply strolling around the mall on a weekend: your average teenaged/early twenties girl these days dress like they're trying to pick up Johns on the freaking street corner! I hate to sound like an old grognard, but I'm trying to learn Calculus, not get a full-resolution view of somebody's cervix, for cripes sake. The uniforms kind of help keep the fire of teenaged sexuality to a low roar, instead of the raging, fleshy inferno it is elsewhere. As a sidenote, concerning the uniforms, I've noticed that I notice a lot more about the more aesthetically-pleasing gender's facial features and such when there are fewer... er.. distractions..

Apologies for the rambling post.

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"That's John Romero!"
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While I may disagree with someone's point of view, I WILL defend their right to say it.
 
The dispute over the shirt occurred about six months after Elmhurst senior Cheri Sue Hartman was kidnapped, tortured and shot, the ruling noted, and students still were trying to cope with the effects of her murder.

The murder did not happen near the school, but relatives of Hartman and those later convicted in her death still attended the school and occasionally confronted each other, court documents said.
WHAT!! They were convicted, and they're still attending High School with the general population???!!! :what: :banghead:
 
As a Hoosier born and raised, this incident creates mixed feelings in me, too. But several other posters have it right:

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire (François Marie Arouet)

Yup, a Frenchman, back when they evidently had more brains & cojones. One of a number of 18th Century thinkers who influenced our own Founders, who recognized that there is no inherent aristocracy of ideas- only merit.
 
BTW I remember a story of a kid who had the FBI called on him by his principal, for wearing a shirt with President Bush in crosshairs.

Just for an example the other way. ;)
 
they woulda liked the shirt that reads "i need a sex change operation so i can get preggers and have the fetus vaccuumed out!"
 
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