In the quest for a super accurate .22

[redneck2]

OK, so I’m at the LGS the other day. Just goofing, perusing the gun rack and I see a target type CZ. Don’t remember the model, but heavy barrel, palm swell pistol grip, flat forend. It was +/- $750 somewhere.

Dude I’m talking to says he has one. Shoots competitions. So, I ask if how closely it compares to an Anschutz. He says it does as well or better. Hmmm.....

“So, if I’m gonna step up from this CZ, where do I land?” He says next up is a model of a Begara. That one comes in about $1,300-1,500.

Above that, a VooDoo. There you’re looking at $3,000.

Empty talk or the real deal?

 

[Jim Watson]

Ain't many CZs at the Olympic 50 metre.
Nor Begaras, neither.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Ain't many CZs at the Olympic 50 metre.
Nor Begaras, neither.

Truth. That says something and is a solid testament I think.

Or, buy something less $$ and enjoy it for what it is. For most they will shoot as well as they can. Keep in mind the right ammo which is key for a .22, they often like different things.

 

[Jim Watson]

That said, CZ sporters are good accurate sporters. We shot several seasons of CMP Rimfire Sporter at our old club and the CZ was what was needed.

 

[redneck2]

Ain't many CZs at the Olympic 50 metre.
Nor Begaras, neither.

He did say the the most used position guns were likely Anschutz or Hammerli. But, other than the ultra super specialized, the Begara and Voodoo were the program for something closer to what I would think of as “normal” shooting. Not locked into a weird stance with a hooked butt and dropped palm swell front stock

 

[PapaG]

I have a CZ455, an old Savage-Anschutz 141 Sporter (64 action), an original Win 52, and a Shaw/Kidd/Ruger 10-22. All are supremely accurate, none cost more than $500 (sans scope) and none will hold a candle to some Anschutz and Kimber match rifles. I'm happy with what I have cause I know I'll never be up against the "Big Guys". I also don't shoot $24/box 10X or Lapuas. All four will do 3/8" at 50 M on a good day, but the Savage has to be sweet talked

 

[jmr40]

Spend as much as you want, but I doubt if there are many shooters who have the skills to shoot better than one of these. I'd bet money it is better than a Bergara. I sold my CZ after buying one of these, its more accurate. Street price around $500-$550.

T1x MTR | Tikka

 

[LoonWulf]

My Ranger outshoots my modified 457 with pretty much everything I can get locally. Not by a whole lot, but by a bit.
I would expect the 800-1000 dolar "heavy" .22s to out shoot my Ranger by a bit, but not stupendously, and any increase in accuracy to be lower proportionally to the cost, as the gun got more expensive....Eventually, and probably pretty early on, we would exceed my ability to consistently get the most out of the rifles.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

I have/have had several CZ rimfires. They are accurate for a sporter weight gun. Probably one of the best bang for the buck
.22's out there.

If I was stepping up, I would look for a used Rem 40x, Win 52D or Anschutz 54 Match if I wanted a factory gun. However, they are pricey. For close to the same money, you can buy a 40x clone action and build a gun.

I am a 40x fan.

 

[Dibbs]

As soon as I can out-shoot my 200$ 22LRs, I'll look for something more pricey...

 

[Jim Watson]

But how will you know?
Was that Nine my fault or the rifle's?

 

[Spats McGee]

OK, so I’m at the LGS the other day. Just goofing, perusing the gun rack and I see a target type CZ. Don’t remember the model, but heavy barrel, palm swell pistol grip, flat forend. It was +/- $750 somewhere....

That sounds a bit like the one @SGW Gunsmith posted in another thread called CZ 457 MTR

Yesterday was testing a fairly **NEW** to me CZ 457 MTR .22 caliber rifle:

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Dude I’m talking to says he has one. Shoots competitions. So, I ask if how closely it compares to an Anschutz. He says it does as well or better. Hmmm.....

“So, if I’m gonna step up from this CZ, where do I land?” He says next up is a model of a Begara. That one comes in about $1,300-1,500.

Above that, a VooDoo. There you’re looking at $3,000.

Empty talk or the real deal?

I don't know enough about those 'real' target rifles to give you an answer you can count on. I'm the limiting factor in shooting. If I spent $3K on a target rifle, I'd waste about $2K of its accuracy. My Ruger American Rimfire Target is pictured below. When I get to where I'm pushing its limits rather than my own, then I'll think about upgrading.

Ten rounds at 50 yards with ammo it seems to like (Norma). Nothing special for a good shooter, but it was pretty good for me.

 

[redneck2]

But how will you know?
Was that Nine my fault or the rifle's?

That’s the big part of the hunt for accuracy. If I can hold 1” and the rifle shoots 1”, my groups may well be 2”. If I shoot 1” and my rifle shoots zero, I can shoot 1” groups.

Conversely, if I can shoot zero and the best the rifle can do is 2”, then that’s the best possible

Eliminates variables

I’ve got a really accurate CZ 453, as in sometimes shooting sub 1/2” at 50 off a bench with a super steady rest and calm conditions. Always fun to think of getting even better accuracy consistently

 

[Howland937]

But how will you know?
Was that Nine my fault or the rifle's?

On mine, since they all kinda randomly toss one out here and there, I figure that's me.

 

[bassjam]

How much accuracy does one need if they aren't shooting competition? I wanted something better than my Savage MKII sporter (which is a shooter in it's own right) to start shooting long range with a .22 and picked up a CZ457 Boyds over the winter. I'm still figuring it out, but I had it out this past week running different ammo I had through it. Some groups were close to an inch at 50 yards, others were more like 3/8". I was going fast (took my "lunch hour" at the range) so the next time I'm out I'll spend more time and only use the ammo that showed promise (SK Plus, SK Long Range, SK Rifle Match). I think I can get those groups tighter if I get off the bench and go prone and focus more on my breathing. I know for a fact there's more accurate rifles out there, I didn't want to spend over $600 and I'm not convinced a T1X or Savage is any better at a similar price.

 

[flightsimmer]

I put together a Ruger 10/22 with a Volquartsen carbon fiber barrel and and air rifle scope with parallax adjustment, I forget the power but I regularly shot 10 shot groups using CCI mini mags indoors that could be covered by a dime, at 75 yds.
I had a bi-pod mounted on the front of the Dragonov stock. It was very lightweight.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

I put together a Ruger 10/22 with a Volquartsen carbon fiber barrel and and air rifle scope with parallax adjustment, I forget the power but I regularly shot 10 shot groups using CCI mini mags indoors that could be covered by a dime.

At what distance?

 

[flightsimmer]

At what distance?

Oh, I forgot that didn't I, 75 yds.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

Dime covered 10 shot groups with supersonic ammo at 75 yards out of a 10/22 is something else...You should go on the rimfire benchrest circuit. You could clean up.

 

[jmorris]

Key words to me are “LGS” and “he says”. If I had a dollar for every time I heard bs in a LGS, I’d own a couple by now.

Just remember the first liar doesn’t stand a chance.

“So, I ask if how closely it compares to an Anschutz. He says it does as well or better.”

The follow up question should have been, “What model Anschutz were you shooting?” I would bet a dollar he “doesn’t remember”. Then after that you could ask him if he even knows any model numbers for Anschutz rifles? At the next blank stare, you now know what you need to, about your information source.

 

[Jim Watson]

As Bart says, people are prone to report their best shooting in such a way that it sounds routine.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

Chasing rimfire accuracy, the rifle is only half the equation. The other half is made up of ammo, rests/bags, weather conditions, and shooter ability. A heavy portion is ammo. You can have everything else just right, but have a ammo that your gun doesn't like and still not do well. When you find an ammo your gun truly likes, buy a lot of it, because a change of a lot number often means totally different shooting ammo. Then, just when you find that exact lot that shoots great and you load up, the weather or something else will change and your gun will start shooting poorly and you'll be back to square one...lol

Accurate target ammo isnt going to come from the big box store, wont come in bulk boxes, wont be super sonic, and most off all...won't be cheap. About 10 bucks a box of 50 is where good accuracy usually starts.

 

[flightsimmer]

Dime covered 10 shot groups with supersonic ammo at 75 yards out of a 10/22 is something else...You should go on the rimfire benchrest circuit. You could clean up.

Well yes I would like to but I'm not sure my legs could stand it. We'll see after they heal up.
I've got pictures if I can find it and get it uploaded.
Oh, and it's not because it is out of a Ruger 10/22, it's because it's out of a Volquartsen barrel.

 

[wiscoaster]

I can consistently hit a two-inch steel at 100 yds with my CZ 457, and that's plenty good enough for me for right now. It's the smallest target at that range, anyway. I can't hit those consistently with my 10/22. And they're equally scoped. So I give the nod to the rifle, not to me.

 

[jmorris]

Ain't many CZs at the Olympic 50 metre.
Nor Begaras, neither.

Some of the winning rifles are made by builders that most people have never heard of.

The women’s 50 meter 3p gold was won with one of these.

https://gehmann.com/english/products.php?id=1764&kategorie=79

The men’s 50 meter 3p gold with one of these.

https://www.bleiker.ch/

They are not cheap though.
https://www.rb-shooting.com/grunig-elmiger/2701-grunig-elmiger-kk-gewehr-r3-racer-im-k1-schaft.html

https://www.pardiniguns.com/store/index.php?cPath=68