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Indonesia wants US troops out by March

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Does this gall anyone as much as it does me?

We've given hundreds of millions in taxpayer and private funds to the Tsunami relief effort. We've diverted troops and equipment from Iraq to help. (My nephew is over there, commanding a ship that brought Marines, hovercraft and helicopters originally headed for the Gulf).

What's going to happen when our people leave in March? Are we supposed to let them keep our equipment?

My eyes are sore from having certain countries stick their thumbs into them.
 
Frankly I think we should have all our people and equipment out of country by Monday. And if they are any more ungracious then we bill them for what we've done so far.

You don't get to accept free help and then dictate when/where/how we help you.

:fire:


Yeah, it sounds cruel ... if the people don't like it then they should overthrow their government and put one that puts their needs ahead of petty politics.
 
Is Indonesia not a sovereign state?

Did we help them so we could build military bases there, or because it's a nice thing to do?

Edit: March is plenty of time, i would think, to do what we can to help them bolster their own relief efforts. I wouldn't want us there past March, either.

Oh, and I do like to play Devil's Advocate, lest anyone should think I'm un-American! ;)
 
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I would like to see us gone before March... Indonesia, is a very corrupt area, and is a powder keg waiting to go off... conside we will get NO thanks for our efforts...and be the focus of everything that goes wrong. now that the real work, and finance has been addressed, time to get our people OUT...monday sounds good to me and with our equipment!!!
 
I don't see anything wrong with that. They want us out by March, and that's fine. They can want us to leave all they want. If they start taking hostile action to provoke it, then we'll slaughter them like cows.

Any questions?

:neener:
 
Relief, if given at all, should be the responsibility of the U.N.

Bush is misusing the military by sending it there in the first place. The military has be misused in this fashion by other presidents as well, but it is still a dumb ass idea.
 
Geeze, how DARE a sovereign nation say they no longer want foreign militarily troops and equipment operating on their soil.

Don't they know who we are? Don't they know that WE go where WE want too.

The unmitigated gall of the man.

America, (Art's Grammaw dropped by...)
 
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Geeze, how DARE a sovereign nation say they no longer want foreign militarily troops and equipment operating on their soil.

Don't they know who we are? Don't they know that WE go where WE want too.

The unmitigated gall of the man.

America, (see original)
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That's really not necessary.

We'd be out by March anyway, and I don't think they meant anything by it. Just that they'll have it under control by then, and we can leave. Now, if they said,"Get the (bleep) out by March u no good Americans", it'd be a different story.
 
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Pull out everything, aid, money, food, medical, manpower. And do not help provide anything towards a warning network. Pull it out yesterday. :cuss:
 
I saw that, too, and couldn't believe it. Maybe what we should do is "deliver" whatever aid materiel is left in the holds of the Lincoln via high-speed, low-altitude bombing runs, shoot 'em the bird, and leave the area. Then they can gather up all the 400-mph rice bag and medicine crate remnants, pool what's left with Thailand, and figure out how to rebuild the world's sex-trade region on their own.

I have no patience for little people that can't see past their religious zealotry.
 
mons meg, yes, they are a sovereign nation. And, yes, they can tell us to leave whenever they want to.

As for building bases: 1) I've seen no mention whatsoever of equipment for those purposes being sent; 2) the Indonesian government would never agree to a bases-for-aid deal; and 3) I don't think we want our military forces in any part of that country, period.

But we're getting the international PR shaft: Japan donated more dollars, and another country (forget which one) donated more dollars than we did.

But factor in the cost for our ships, planes, helicopters and military, and the US dwarfs any country on the planet for aid to the striken countries. Without that equipment and manpower, UN aid workers would be delivering food by donkeys.

For those of you who are standing up for Indonesia and saying they have the right to kick us out anytime they want: yep, they sure do.

But they're willing to take the hundreds of millions of dollars in direct donations, and the hundreds of millions of dollars in manpower and equipment.

Contrast Indonesia with India, a country also hit hard by the tsunami. India has always rejected outside aid, in part because of national pride, in part because they want to prove that they're a real power on the international stage, and in part because they've been at odds with many of the Western nations on a multitude of issues.

It's too late this evening for me to do a search on how the Indonesian delegation to the UN voted with the US on issues of importance to us, but I'll bet a cursory look tomorrow will reveal that they're not our friends diplomatically.

Out by March? We'd better be. And here's why: before we even approach finishing the task of distributing aid to the victims, the Islamofacists in that country are going to start shooting at our troops.
 
Frankly I think we should have all our people and equipment out of country by Monday. And if they are any more ungracious then we bill them for what we've done so far.
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Amen! I don't think it can be said any better.

I think that it is REALLY a slap to first berate America to say, "You don't give enough", then say "We want you out of the country." I noticed that this was after we pumped a few million dollars worth of emergency supplies into the country.

I have also noticed that this has now become sort of a trendy thing: help the tsunami victims! Well, if their own country does not want help, then we should back right the heck out, RIGHT NOW. Screw them, the horses they ride, the saddles they use, the stirrups they stand in and the paddock where the horses live.

Then, a few months from now, when it sinks in that their infrastructure is well and truly destroyed and that--"well, yes, we DO need help"--tell them to call 1-800-Give A Crap.

Am I the only one that is getting thoroughly sick of America being the whipping boy?
 
I don't see anything wrong with that. They want us out by March, and that's fine. They can want us to leave all they want. If they start taking hostile action to provoke it, then we'll slaughter them like cows.
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Here's a few

Is this a humanitarian effort or an invasion?

What right do we have to remain in the country if not wanted?

Does a soveriegn nation not have the right to determine that they do not want foriegn military troops within their borders?

What purpose would be served in our foecing our presence on Indonesia?

Do you even understand why we are there?
 
I join with those who are fed up with world babble and Indonesian yap-yap. We were among the first on the scene with physical aid. Some 15,000 military from naval ships, and in-country folks with the US Agency for International Development. The UN has held meetings to establish "coordination" and to find five-star hotel rooms.

Indonesia has officially stated--per news reports--that they worry that the rebels in Aceh will somehow use our efforts to their advantage. It is noted that these rebels are, themselves, aiding in relief efforts.

My own personal comment is that while Indonesia is less corrupt than a couple of decades back, the government is still infused with corruption...

I'll further note that cynical comments about our use of the military are foolish in the extreme. This country has always been willing to help out whenever some disaster has occurred, and we've historically been willing to use whatever means are the most timely and effective. In the tsunami-hit area, our helicopters were delivering relief supplies and support-people from the earliest possible hours. This is no different from calling up the National Guard when floods or hurricanes impact us here within the U.S.

Regardless of governmental babble, the people know who showed up to help during a time of need. The white star showed up; the green crescent did not.

Art
 
Leave now along with our all the food ,water ,and medical supplies we came with. Tell them to call on their rich Muslim brothers with the oil for help.
 
i agree with the "pull out now" guys, we give them money, aid, manpower and they give us restrictions and time lines?

screw'em


get'em out of there, take where they're wanted and can do some good.
 
I also agree

We have spent many dollars there, therefore we should be allowed to stay there as long as we want.
The U.S. flag should fly over all official buildings. We should start immediately building bases and PXs.
Their women should be considered our concubines and the common people should stand in line for hours for the honor of kissing the soldiers' boots
 
I think we should go NOW! Don't forget to tell the last one to leave to be sure they grab the check book.
 
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