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The Norinco/IAC Regent comes MIM free, right? It costs like $400 or so.
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The Norinco/IAC Regent comes MIM free, right? It costs like $400 or so.
oneounceload
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MIM parts have been used in high stress environments, like aircraft for quite some time. It allows the manufacture of precision made parts that cannot be made by typical methods (similar to plastic injection-molded products).
Funny how many of these MIM haters have no problem with Ruger, who casts everything and pours into a mold. All one hears is how robust they are (because they have to be heavier and clunkier due to being cast and not forged).
I have a Kimber - it has given me ZERO problems in the last ten years.
MIM parts have as good or bad a quality rep as cast or forged - every now and again some bad ones get out of the mass-production facility, but overall, they are performing as they need to
Funny how many of these MIM haters have no problem with Ruger, who casts everything and pours into a mold. All one hears is how robust they are (because they have to be heavier and clunkier due to being cast and not forged).
I have a Kimber - it has given me ZERO problems in the last ten years.
MIM parts have as good or bad a quality rep as cast or forged - every now and again some bad ones get out of the mass-production facility, but overall, they are performing as they need to
1911Tuner
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MIM is as good or as bad as the process and the material. Good MIM is very good. Bad MIM is worse than bad. The stuff that Kimber used in the beginning was very good. Now...not so good, apparently.
None of the manufacturers make their own small parts, and many don't even make the slides and frames any more. They've gone from being gun makers to gun assemblers, and their quality...or lack thereof...is at the mercy of whomever is producing their parts.
Colt has a good MIM vendor. I once laid a Colt MIM sear concave side down on an anvil and hit it several times with an 8-ounce hammer. It didn't break. Not only did it not break, but it functioned normally when returned to the gun. Then, I removed it, turned it on its side, and hit it some more. One of the legs bent, but didn't break. I clamped the disconnect in a bench vice and smacked it a few times. It bent to about 15 degrees and finally broke. The chances of breaking one of those parts during normal operation of the gun would be so infintessimal, that you could go ahead and call it impossible.
Note that I don't consider that to be representative for all MIM parts from all vendors. Only that those MIM parts didn't fail on that day when subjected to stresses a few thousand percent greater than they'd ever be normally subjected to.
As a rule of thumb, if an MIM part is going to fail, it'll fail early on. If it lasts for a thousand cycles, it'll likely last for 50,000.
Eddie...There are no cast or MIM parts in a Norinco. Everything is machined steel. The issue is that it's fairly crude, but they can usually be greatly improved with a little judicious polishing where applicable. Not all of them need any. Others need it badly. Springs should be replaced right off the bat. Their OEM magazines are excellent.
None of the manufacturers make their own small parts, and many don't even make the slides and frames any more. They've gone from being gun makers to gun assemblers, and their quality...or lack thereof...is at the mercy of whomever is producing their parts.
Colt has a good MIM vendor. I once laid a Colt MIM sear concave side down on an anvil and hit it several times with an 8-ounce hammer. It didn't break. Not only did it not break, but it functioned normally when returned to the gun. Then, I removed it, turned it on its side, and hit it some more. One of the legs bent, but didn't break. I clamped the disconnect in a bench vice and smacked it a few times. It bent to about 15 degrees and finally broke. The chances of breaking one of those parts during normal operation of the gun would be so infintessimal, that you could go ahead and call it impossible.
Note that I don't consider that to be representative for all MIM parts from all vendors. Only that those MIM parts didn't fail on that day when subjected to stresses a few thousand percent greater than they'd ever be normally subjected to.
As a rule of thumb, if an MIM part is going to fail, it'll fail early on. If it lasts for a thousand cycles, it'll likely last for 50,000.
Eddie...There are no cast or MIM parts in a Norinco. Everything is machined steel. The issue is that it's fairly crude, but they can usually be greatly improved with a little judicious polishing where applicable. Not all of them need any. Others need it badly. Springs should be replaced right off the bat. Their OEM magazines are excellent.
Tenn870
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do all the models have a certain amount of MIM or just the newer ones?
On a separate note, someone in another post said that I (19 years old) can purchase and own a handgun as long as it is not from a dealer since I am not 21 ... ? Any truth to this or am I getting excited for nothing.
On a separate note, someone in another post said that I (19 years old) can purchase and own a handgun as long as it is not from a dealer since I am not 21 ... ? Any truth to this or am I getting excited for nothing.
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Multiple Kimber owner.
Can not and will not deny the evidence. Will refer to:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=508120
Point bony fingers at Kimber all day long. If you have owned one and had these problems I will listen if you are a regurgitation of other people's problems you opinion is based on someone else's opinion and is as valuable as an opinion.
Can not and will not deny the evidence. Will refer to:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=508120
Point bony fingers at Kimber all day long. If you have owned one and had these problems I will listen if you are a regurgitation of other people's problems you opinion is based on someone else's opinion and is as valuable as an opinion.
Full Metal Jacket
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true, in certain states. not sure about MD. call your local PD and ask, my friend.
Tenn870
If you can afford a KImber buy one. If it has problems they can likely be fixed very easily. There are other good gun out there for a lot less money but hey, sometimes you just gotta have something. I own 4 1911's, A Kimber, a Springfield and two Taurus PT1911's. If you like a full sized gun I would not hesitate to recomend the Taurus. I bought my Kimber used for a lot less than new and put $50 into it to get it running right. It is not magical but, it is kinda like owning a Mercedes I guess. You gotta do it once,right.
As for whether or not you can buy a handgun at your age, you have to check state law. The 21 age requirement is a federal law. "Federal" firearms dealers must abide by it, which is to say that no FFL can sell a gun to anyone under 21 regardless of what the state law is. If your state law allows persons under 21 to own a handgun, which is the case in my state, Maine, there are only two way that you can legally aquire one. The first is to purchase it through a private sale. The second is to have your parents buy it for you and "gift" it to you. This is not a Straw Purchase. I know that Marylands laws are pretty strict so, I doubt that you can own one but, I may be wrong. It happens.
If you can afford a KImber buy one. If it has problems they can likely be fixed very easily. There are other good gun out there for a lot less money but hey, sometimes you just gotta have something. I own 4 1911's, A Kimber, a Springfield and two Taurus PT1911's. If you like a full sized gun I would not hesitate to recomend the Taurus. I bought my Kimber used for a lot less than new and put $50 into it to get it running right. It is not magical but, it is kinda like owning a Mercedes I guess. You gotta do it once,right.
As for whether or not you can buy a handgun at your age, you have to check state law. The 21 age requirement is a federal law. "Federal" firearms dealers must abide by it, which is to say that no FFL can sell a gun to anyone under 21 regardless of what the state law is. If your state law allows persons under 21 to own a handgun, which is the case in my state, Maine, there are only two way that you can legally aquire one. The first is to purchase it through a private sale. The second is to have your parents buy it for you and "gift" it to you. This is not a Straw Purchase. I know that Marylands laws are pretty strict so, I doubt that you can own one but, I may be wrong. It happens.
Zach S
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They all have the same MIM small parts.
The small parts breaking came shortly after Kimber introduced the series II safety (that also had issues, which was followed by the external extractors that had issues).
I own four Kimbers, and they're all more accurate than I am while being boring reliable. They are all Series Is.
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