Inland new carbine
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Big20
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Love mine. Accurate, feeds FMJ and Hornady SP reliably. Will not feed the Hornady FTX load. I looked at originals and a nice one was just too much.
Interesting discussion about same just concluded here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=800560
I hope that the one I purchase next year will function well as I cannot afford an expensive USGI "original".
There's so much disdain for the .30 Carbine that no matter how well a modern rendition functions, "Club 5.56" will always turn up their nose at it. These people live in a world where the only rifle that exists between a .22 long rifle and a .308 Winchester, is their beloved "poodle shooter".
I, too, am enamored of the "little 30". I don't need a "blow your doors off" .22 caliber to drop anything of consequence within 75-120 yards. If I need more power, I'll move up to my 7.62 x 39 MAK-91 National Match with a 19" barrel to kill it without great difficulty. Beyond that, my Spanish Mauser in .308 Winchester shoots remarkably well.
The .30 Carbine is a great little short-to-medium range cartridge that will handily dispatch varmints and small game up to 200 pounds of Whitetail deer, when the bullet is properly placed. The Carbine's low recoil encourages great marksmanship, because it won't jar your teeth loose, yet will handily dispatch a bad guy more quickly than you'd care to believe. I like it, because you can also, at short ranges use the .30 Carbine to penetrate barriers, where the 5.56 x 45 can't quite make it. (55 grain FMJ bullets have their limitations).
As it has been said in another thread, the New York City Police "Stakeout Squad" led by the legendary Jim Cirillo killed 10 pieces of human garbage in 10 holdup situations. (A bit of "chlorine" for New York City's filthy "gene pool"). The late 1960's was a bad time for violent stickups. Jim cured this rather quickly with repeated applications of 110 grain doses of Winchester Hollow Soft Point.
Some of the "reproductions" are decent, others aren't. The Inland Carbines can be both good and bad. I understand that the Auto Ordnance has a poorer "track record" than the Inland Carbines This is why I am leaning toward the Inland myself.
I would dearly love to buy a USGI Carbine, but I fear that they may very well be a "money pit". (I cant afford $1,400.00 - $1,600.00 for a USGI "rebuild").
I don't know whether this helps, but I hope I have been of some service.
There's so much disdain for the .30 Carbine that no matter how well a modern rendition functions, "Club 5.56" will always turn up their nose at it. These people live in a world where the only rifle that exists between a .22 long rifle and a .308 Winchester, is their beloved "poodle shooter".
I, too, am enamored of the "little 30". I don't need a "blow your doors off" .22 caliber to drop anything of consequence within 75-120 yards. If I need more power, I'll move up to my 7.62 x 39 MAK-91 National Match with a 19" barrel to kill it without great difficulty. Beyond that, my Spanish Mauser in .308 Winchester shoots remarkably well.
The .30 Carbine is a great little short-to-medium range cartridge that will handily dispatch varmints and small game up to 200 pounds of Whitetail deer, when the bullet is properly placed. The Carbine's low recoil encourages great marksmanship, because it won't jar your teeth loose, yet will handily dispatch a bad guy more quickly than you'd care to believe. I like it, because you can also, at short ranges use the .30 Carbine to penetrate barriers, where the 5.56 x 45 can't quite make it. (55 grain FMJ bullets have their limitations).
As it has been said in another thread, the New York City Police "Stakeout Squad" led by the legendary Jim Cirillo killed 10 pieces of human garbage in 10 holdup situations. (A bit of "chlorine" for New York City's filthy "gene pool"). The late 1960's was a bad time for violent stickups. Jim cured this rather quickly with repeated applications of 110 grain doses of Winchester Hollow Soft Point.
Some of the "reproductions" are decent, others aren't. The Inland Carbines can be both good and bad. I understand that the Auto Ordnance has a poorer "track record" than the Inland Carbines This is why I am leaning toward the Inland myself.
I would dearly love to buy a USGI Carbine, but I fear that they may very well be a "money pit". (I cant afford $1,400.00 - $1,600.00 for a USGI "rebuild").
I don't know whether this helps, but I hope I have been of some service.
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The thing I don't get, is that people post as if CMP was flush with mil. surp. carbines ready for delivery.
I was under the impression that ship sailed quite a while ago.
I guess I might be able to get a mix-master CMP M1 carbine, if I drive 1,000 miles to Ohio, but they no longer list any rifles on line. Only rifle parts are listed.
Please tell me if there's something I'm missing.
All the GI carbines I'm seeing on GB are listed for well over a $1,000 (or have that little R next to the auction listing)
I was under the impression that ship sailed quite a while ago.
I guess I might be able to get a mix-master CMP M1 carbine, if I drive 1,000 miles to Ohio, but they no longer list any rifles on line. Only rifle parts are listed.
Please tell me if there's something I'm missing.
All the GI carbines I'm seeing on GB are listed for well over a $1,000 (or have that little R next to the auction listing)
That's true on sheer numbers, but the price being asked is through the roof on these CMP mixmaster mil-surplus carbines (the vetted ones with CMP paperwork anyway), and that's all before the issue of having to replace parts on yours if it doesn't run reliably.
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Ibmikey
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"Six million produced" has little bearing on availability today....seventy years of war, loaning or giving carbines away by Gov., intentional destruction by governments, police and even individuals has seriously reduced numbers. Then add all the weapons in private hands....people who recognize the charistma of the little rifle and are not about to let them go and choices become limited. Having collected them since my first DCM Carbine and finding about fifty in my rifle rack i can readily understand the prices and limited availability of the US Carbine.
kBob
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Just a little nudge re: .30 Carbine power. Marshall and Sanow actually had a fair number of shootings with .30 Carbine FMJ and rated it 90 percent one shot stops IIRC.
Dr. Fackler rated the Remington Soft point and Winchester SP with the teenie tiny hollow point as out standing and kept such in his bedside Carbine at home.
-kBob
Dr. Fackler rated the Remington Soft point and Winchester SP with the teenie tiny hollow point as out standing and kept such in his bedside Carbine at home.
-kBob
Panzerschwein
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Jim Cirillo said a carbine loaded with soft points was a great stopper and worked well in police shootings.
amd6547
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I love when people disparage GI carbines as "mixmasters". Pretty much all of them are mixmasters, due to postwar rebuilds. Meaning the govt fixed them and brought them up to spec.
Over at the cmp forum, the number of problem carbine reports is far outweighed by happy, no problem range reports.
In the last month, I've seen a few carbines for sale there in the $880-900 range.
BTW...CMP sold some very nice carbines for $675 (I think) last month. They were beautiful Bavarian police returns.
...and you don't have to drive 1000 miles to Ohio. Cmp will gladly ship to your door.
Over at the cmp forum, the number of problem carbine reports is far outweighed by happy, no problem range reports.
In the last month, I've seen a few carbines for sale there in the $880-900 range.
BTW...CMP sold some very nice carbines for $675 (I think) last month. They were beautiful Bavarian police returns.
...and you don't have to drive 1000 miles to Ohio. Cmp will gladly ship to your door.
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I haven't seen any listed on their web site for sale in ages.
They may be happy to ship it to you, but I don't think you'll ever know they have them, unless you go to the store.
Captains1911
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Not true. The CMP just released a batch of carbines a few months ago. $625 for field grade, and $675 for service grade, shipped to your door. You had to be on top of it and timely with getting your order in, but folks are currently receiving carbines from that batch.
maxxhavoc
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Yep. One just went into my safe last week. You need to have your paperwork in and complete, and be on their mailing list. If you have ordered from them before, you should be on the list. You can probably just add yourself, but these things came up and went so fast, if you weren't ready for it, you already missed it.
They did not have enough carbines to fill the orders they got in the first day (they had 2000 carbines.) This was the first time I had seen them list carbines in years.
The 1911's will probably come up in the next year or two, and will probably sell out very quickly as well. Get your paperwork in, buy a Garand, and you'll definitely be ready.
lemaymiami
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Before anyone buys one of the "New Inlands"... they'd be smart to read through this thread on another site. It's written by someone who's actually an authority on both GI and commercial carbines and runs a well respected website on them, http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/
At any rate here's his comments on the New Inland, detailing what he found... It's on milsurps.com... http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=53708
You're going to have to actually read all 12 pages to get all the info... so get yourself a beverage and read through it. For those determined to spend that much money on one.... good luck.
I've seen them touted on both television shows and in magazines.... You'll rarely hear anything but puff pieces about them so it was nice to hear someone who actually knows the design and it's variations provide some real world inspection and review....
At any rate here's his comments on the New Inland, detailing what he found... It's on milsurps.com... http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=53708
You're going to have to actually read all 12 pages to get all the info... so get yourself a beverage and read through it. For those determined to spend that much money on one.... good luck.
I've seen them touted on both television shows and in magazines.... You'll rarely hear anything but puff pieces about them so it was nice to hear someone who actually knows the design and it's variations provide some real world inspection and review....
amd6547
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While I don't know that cmp has a stated warranty, I do know that cmp goes above and beyond to fix issues for customers.
Llama Bob
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That would be difficult, since "Inland" carbines ARE "Auto Ordinance" carbines, or at least share all major parts.
As is typical with shoddy merchandise, you have to change the branding every few years so the dupes think "Maybe this manufacturer will be better!" when of course it's the exact same product.
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lemaymiami
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I was particularly put off by the puff piece that American Rifleman TV show ran on "New Inland"... You'd think that show above all others would at least look around to see whether there was any negative stuff on that offering... It reminds me to be very skeptical of magazine articles touting something new as well. Too often manufacturers make it all too easy for someone needing to fill a space with just the "right info"....
maxxhavoc
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Well, in an interview, they said they get unfinished parts from AO and fit and finish them at Inland to higher tolerances. However, the article posted above is what prompted me to go AO. The bolt on his Inland was not heat treated up to the specs as the AO. The AO was still not GI spec, but better.
This arrangement is common with manufacturers. Got a Caspian 1911? Ruger made the frame and slide. Your STI Spartan could have been built out as a RIA 1911 instead. Same receiver and slide.
The idea is that with better fitting and finishing, and upscale company can provide a better gun (at a higher cost) than an assembly line. When Inland hits it's stride, I think it will be there. They need to get their QC and customer support up to snuff until their reputation catches up, though. Gun owners can tell a puff piece from a technical review. Inland needs to make sure the experts reviewing these post glowing reviews. To do this, they need to get all their problems solved faster and better than they expect. It's what builds a good reputation.
If I was set on buying a "premium" non-GI M1 Carbine to use as a shooter, I would probably save my pennies for a Rock-Ola. James River Armory bought the name and are using mil-spec steel to carve receivers from original USGI blueprints and hardened to GI spec. I have never seen a bad review for them, the only negative comments were on the cost.
https://www.jamesriverarmory.com/products/category/35-rockola-m1-carbine.html
Lloyd Smale
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still remember back when I was a teenager and you could pick them up for 50 bucks. I once made a deal in a bar for one for 50 bucks without even looking at it. Threw it out in the truck and never looked till the next day and when I opened the case there were two in it. One nice one and one kind of beat up. Called the guy and told him he had two of them in there and he said "oh well that other one isn't worth selling" Well almost 30 years later and with the addition of a para trooper stock that I bought back then for 20 bucks. its still running like new. Traded the good one a few years back for a brand new Kimber 1911. Best 50 bucks I ever spent. Sorry guys but I just cant see paying 600 bucks for one. But I guess maybe it would make more sense if I hadn't lived when they were about giving them away.
This morning I was on the phone with Inland Mfg.
I had a long conversation with Ron Norton (President) and he told me that they have corrected the problem with the bolts. The heat treatment had been insufficient for their durability. This, however, has been addressed.
Ron told me of two recently manufactured M1 Carbine "mules" that had the newer bolts in them To that point, the Carbines had digested a total of 10,000 rounds of American Eagle ammunition. At the 2016 Shot Show he left them without lubrication and proceeded to fire approximately 1800 rounds through each of them before they stopped functioning properly!
Now that's progress!
I am convinced that Ron Norton has truly solved the "soft bolt" problem for his M1. Evidently the heat treatment improvement has been successful, and their products should now outlast the Auto Ordnance by a substantial margin.
I had a long conversation with Ron Norton (President) and he told me that they have corrected the problem with the bolts. The heat treatment had been insufficient for their durability. This, however, has been addressed.
Ron told me of two recently manufactured M1 Carbine "mules" that had the newer bolts in them To that point, the Carbines had digested a total of 10,000 rounds of American Eagle ammunition. At the 2016 Shot Show he left them without lubrication and proceeded to fire approximately 1800 rounds through each of them before they stopped functioning properly!
Now that's progress!
I am convinced that Ron Norton has truly solved the "soft bolt" problem for his M1. Evidently the heat treatment improvement has been successful, and their products should now outlast the Auto Ordnance by a substantial margin.
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Challenge Ron Norton to load a full 15 round mag into one of his carbines and make a video of it functioning flawlessly. If it cycles all 15 rounds with 100% reliability make sure you receive that very same carbine. Get that same magazine as well. I bet it won't happen. A $1,049.00 firearm should work right out of the box. Do I sound bitter?
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