Interesting article on why the pro-gun movement is winning

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Interesting article on why the pro-gun movement is winning.






http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucero...inning-the-influence-battle-over-gun-control/






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NRA Winning the Influence Battle Over Gun Control

2/01/2013 @ 5:08PM




The gun control debate is clearly one of the most contentious and controversial issues in America today. And the battle over gun control is now being waged through intensive media campaigns from both sides of the political spectrum to influence public opinion and to assert pressure on policy makers. So who’s winning? To find out, we turned to objective data provided exclusively to Forbes Insights by Appinions, the influence marketing platform. Keep in mind Forbes Insights has no agenda other than to shed research light on the process of measuring influence and what we can learn from it. The facts are objective, whatever your perspective on the issue may be. We certainly don’t aim to promote either side and are just stating the facts of influence and who is leading or gaining ground through the lens of influence


Forbes Insights and Appinions looked at the data for the week prior to the Sandy Hook tragedy and trended the data over the subsequent 5 weeks to determine the ebb and flow over the gun control debate. We found that the NRA and the pro-gun rights voices are winning the influence battle and will continue to be strong and more influential if the pro gun control voice remains fragmented. On the flip side, the pro gun control voice could certainly gain influence if they establish a more united voice. Here are some other interesting observations from the data:
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was thinking earlier today that the furor has calmed a bit. Was yet another gun control article on Slashdot. They had been getting 1000+ posts, this one saw a couple hundred.

There are still a bunch of bills out there, and some come coming down the pipe in the states. It isn't over by a long way but maybe some of the vicious hate directed at us is subsiding.
 
Part of it is due to the furor subsiding a little and many of the well-meaning people who spoke out of ignorance getting corrected and backing off. I've had to correct several people about what an AR15 really is and so forth, and they just bowed out of the conversation once they realized the pro-gun side wasn't irrational and crazy (and easy to put down).
 
It is interesting. I would add:

In this case, the anti-gun movement loses steam because MOST antis are not dedicated to getting rid of guns. If the anti-gun movement could be tied to a government handout of some kind, you bet that the antis would be lined up and protesting to get rid of guns. But no one on the anti side gains anything tangible. Those that vote for government to enrich themselves gain nothing, so they are effectively out of the picture. They don't give to the anti causes because, for the most part, they don't care as long as gun violence doesn't touch them. They see nothing in it for them!

On the other hand, the pro-gun side has a lot to lose, both in property and in rights. We are even threatened with having to pay to use those rights. We have tangible assets in this fight. We are dedicated/engaged for the long run.
 
There are very few single-issue Democrat voters that hinge on gun control. There are a lot of single-issue Republican (and Libertarian) voters that hinge on gun control.
 
BEWARE!
If I remember correctly "they" said the '94 AWB wouldn't pass. With this crowd in office anything can happen. Personally, I think the opposition is just getting warmed up because they were caught off guard by the whole Sandy Hook thing. I think their original plan was to further destroy the Republican Party and then do the gun control "dance" - late sessions, shady deals, passing an enormous indecipherable bill without reading it. You know, just like Obamacare. With Newtown they were forced to act early, before they were fully prepared. The Media is doing it's share by making any gun incident national news and keeping the spotlight on guns.
Please don't be lulled into inactivity thinking we've won. We haven't, yet.
KEEP UP THE PRESSURE.
 
Sadly, "trending" has nothing whatsoever to do with what Washington decides it has a "mandate" for. It ain't over until this farce is thrown back into the faces of the Grabber movement which has so exploited the shooting--and by someone with a lot more authority than us "gunnies."

I truly think a federal Court's review of the NY weapons ban will be their Waterloo, a monument to their hubris. By the time that happens, we may also be witnessing plummeting crime rates in Illinois due to the coming CCW permissions the courts have returned to the people there...a bright future indeed :)

TCB
 
interesting that its NRA vs. Democrats. Can't rely on the republicans I guess.

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I'm not sure I 100% agree with that. The Republicans have been a bit beat up lately. Presedential election, debt ceiling talks, etc. I think many of them would rather sit back, let Wayne throw some punches and save their "political capital" for later while Obama spends some of his on "skeetgate", endless talks and fighting against public opinion.
 
No, the other crowd wasn't caught off guard, it was already scheduled in their planners. 1) Get reelected, 2) Push all the socialist agenda.

Use your collective memory, the NRA put out the word nearly a year ago - the Dems were being quiet on gun control until after the reelection, then they would pounce. It's no surprise Diane and her staff already had a bill ready to introduce.

If there was anything that was a surprise, it might have been the big reaction from the public. Within hours the panic buying started, and from their, things spread quickly. Once most of the guns and ammo were off the shelf - at least the military oriented stuff, that hit the news cycle, which spread the word even more.

I visited a local militaria collector five days after Sandy Hook, the pile of old beat up M16 magazines he'd had in a box of others were all gone. Virtual junk, they'd been sitting there for years, nearly a decade. His price was simply too high, the sort of thing you see done by collectors or gun show table renters. Not after Sandy Hook.

There's been a much bigger backlash than anticipated, entirely because - here it comes - AR's HAVE BEEN THE BIGGEST SELLING GUNS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

Why? How about 21 million men and women trained in the Armed Forces over the last 40 years? Grandpa buys a Garand from CMP to remember, but you can't get a M14 - it's full auto modifiable. And you can't get an M16 - again, full auto. So, if you are a vet, and you want what the government won't sell surplus to you, what do you do? Buy a civilian made AR15. If you are a young man, and you see for the last ten years - ten years, guys, as long as we were in Viet Nam - what do you see in the news? M16's, M4's, it's the gun to have - not some old fashioned great white hunter bolt action for shooting endangered species.

Some of you reading this might not like the characterization of the guns I describe, but that comes from the guys who won't buy them. All they saw growing up were American Heroes carrying the AR in foreign nations against terrorists, not Stewart Grainger facing down a charging rhino to save an African farmer his livelihood. The harsh reality of modern politics and the heritage of environmentalism has given them a different kind of hero - and what he carries. Let's not forget many are NOT raised with a mom and dad close at hand - these young men are embracing the AR as an important token of their rite of passage into the ranks of men.

I don't think the liberals had a clue. If anything, the AWB was likely as much help in raising a generation of gun owners as any thing we could have sponsored willingly. It gave a platform for ten years of constant focus on what was wrong with it, and why. It created the forbidden fruit, and when it finally came to a sunset, what these new shooters saw was a sunrise - they could buy them.

There haven't been enough on the market yet to keep up. Now their little brothers are buying all they can, too. And now they are being told they have to turn them in, or can't have the standard issue magazines they know are part of the kit, too?

Who's been buying all the CCW permits? I sure wasn't Uncle Fred to carry his Garand around town. It's the same guys again. We are almost at a full 50 state shall issue compliance, with Illinois on the verge of doing it - or being forced to. And we also have flirted with complete reciprocity, which is likely within reach simply based on an appreciation of Constitutional interpretation alone. All that remains is a Senate that isn't anti gun. As time passes, that obstacle is passing away, too. At least 6 Democrat Senators are planning to retire.

No doubt some lame under the table deal could get pulled off - but as we already see in NY state, that is being challenged on a number of legal grounds, less than a month since it's passage. The citizens aren't rolling over as much as some posting about it, that's for sure.
 
I have seen a number of Republicans speak out on this issue, from Senator Ted Cruz to Senator Rand Paul, and Governors Perry and Jindal. I think the Old Media simply does not give them much coverage.
 
Media is very influential, being a gatekeeper of what is and isn't widely heard by the masses. Just ask Rand Paul's old man, Ron Paul, on how the media (and GOP) treated him.
 
Good post. We have transformed from guns mostly for hunting to guns mostly for defense. This is a good thing. The Swiss are a model to consider.
 
I believe this issue will go to the states. So each state will need to step it up in opposition of the anti's.
 
While this article is, indeed, enlightening, it's worth noting that both sides of the political spectrum understand this and are quite adept at strategies to both work with and work around this information. And you can be quite sure that both sides pay particular attention to such information.

The psychology of long term population control is not wasted on either side.

So, even though this information is heartening, don't relax your guard EVER.
 
I don't know anyone who wanted the AWB bill in '94.
I don't know anyone who thought Obamacare was a good idea, or wanted it.

We all yelled and screamed. 300 million people (well maybe not all of them) objecting to the desires of 525 doesn't appear to mean anything on any issue.
If they want it, we're going to get stuck with it.

The question becomes, how will we deal with it?

All of us break/or don't follow laws we don't believe in.
Seriously, do you put your seatbelt on every single time you get in a car?
Do you follow the speed limit to a Tee all the time, or just when you think someone is watching?
Do you drive across state lines from a dry county to get booze?

If everyone on the highway is doing 20 miles over the speed limit, what can they do?

My point is, most of us will carry on as if none of this BS exists. We might be a little lower profile in our actions and ways, but as I've said before, this is America, and if people want something they will do it or get it one way or another.
 
We found that the NRA and the pro-gun rights voices are winning the influence battle and will continue to be strong and more influential if the pro gun control voice remains fragmented. On the flip side, the pro gun control voice could certainly gain influence if they establish a more united voice.
Here's the united voice->
How the White House silenced gun control groups

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ups-88546.html

-the White House offered a simple arrangement: the groups could have access and involvement, but they’d have to offer silence and support in exchange. The implied rules, according to conversations with many of those involved: No infighting. No second-guessing in the press. Support whatever the president and Vice President Joe Biden propose. And most of all, don’t make waves or get ahead of the White House. In exchange: a voice in the discussions, a role in whatever final agreement is made and weekly meetings at the White House with Biden’s chief of staff, Bruce Reed — provided they don’t discuss what happens there. .....
 
I'm sending so many emails to my state and D.C. representatives, they are thanking me for my continued correspondence!

I'm thinking the above thanks might be an "oh no", we all know this guy by his first name now!

Arkansas is really coming out with some pro-gun legislation lately, and I may barely keep-up with the emails to all my house and senate contacts. I'm getting NRA-ILA legislative updates for our state every other day, it seems.

Elimination of conditional right-to-carry reciprocity with all other states was introduced, so I've been bangin' away to all members of the senate judicial committee to urge support. I'm all for right-to-carry transparency in our reciprocity laws.

Yesterday (or was it day before?) it was an all day affair to email all my reps in AR about limiting the Governor's ability to dictate transfer, or transportation of weapons during a state of declared emergency. The memories of Katrina atrocities still fresh, I spent many hours penning a balanced and reserved letter of support for the legislator who introduced the bill. There were 15 members on the action committee contacted, and it came down a do pass, but I'm sure the guv is going to veto that one down, as an act of defiance. We'll see how that goes.

Having a hard time keeping-up with all the new pro-gun legislation here, but happy to do what I may.

I actually feel like a political activist, for the first time in my life, and in a good way.
 
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sometimes thinking positive can be harmful. our gun rights are being eroded since the law in the 20's banning sub machine guns bought in a hardware store. then you could not buy a gun thru the mail.in order to get a carry permit you are arrested mug shot printed and extensive background check and released with no bail after giving them letters from the pope etc. you are then put into a registry like a sex offender if that is winning....
 
Even my neighboor who works at a private church run school got her carry last week. Stopped by today to show her pink S&W revolver. The church paid for the class, pretty cool.
 
The pro-gun rights voice is rapidly gaining influence while the pro-gun control voice has tapered in recent weeks. Momentum is shifting and the gun control debate is becoming a platform benefiting gun rights advocates.
I've said something similar a number of times.

When times are good and we're resting fat and happy, we can't get folks to join and donate to NRA-ILA. We can't get shooters (often an individualistic and sometimes solitary lot) to join forces for love or money. But a real threat pulls us together and lets us flex our collective muscles.

And success breeds success. When folks see that we ARE winning, they flock to the banner. That's just human nature, but those late-adopters swell our ranks and turn the initial modest successes into a torrential flood of public opinion and determination.

And the more the "anti" side resists that groundswell of constituent will, the more outraged and driven WE become. Defeatism is the easy default mode of folks who think all that legislative nonsense is above them and they can't get up the emotion to be involved. But when something finally pushes them just a bit too far? Nothing gets folks more riled up than for them to find themselves saying, "What? I finally got off the couch and made a donation...even called my Senator's office! And they aren't listening to ME?!?!? :fire:"

I predict good things next year in CO. Maybe in NY, too.
 
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