Interesting Hi-Point Article

[PT92]

Excellent. Printed some tight groups today with the 9mm and irons that I could barely see through (fogged eye pro). Decent trigger, weight gives the feel of shooting a .22, and it feels solid in the hand. Bulky, but solid. And for $260, it's hard to beat as far as pistol caliber carbines.

I couldn't have said it better. I am now shooting my HiPoint carbine more than my Sub2K (as you mention, the slightly greater weight of the HiPoint carbine in .45ACP results in recoil similar to my Kel-Tec's Sub2K in 9mm). Some people say they're fugly. Quite the contrary, I think she's pretty:


-Cheers

 

[ares338]

Hi Point?

I just picked up a Hi Point .40 just to see what all the hoopla was. The first thing I noticed was the price seems to be steadily rising on them as I paid about $15.00 more than I would have a month ago. I took it out of the box, read the instructions and ignored the addendum about the clip, bought cheap Wolf brand 180 fmj and took it out and shot it. Admittedly I only ran 50 rounds through it, but it performed flawlessly except for a dud bullet that wasn't the pistols fault. The recoil is very manageable and even my wife handled it with ease. It's as accurate as I am and goes bang when I want it to. I like and I'm glad I bought it and if I needed another pistol, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.

 

[jrdolall]

My Hi Point 9 mm shoots +p with no problem. Since I bought it used for under $100 and I see them new at guns shows for $139 I am having a hard time finding CZ even close to that price. I know the CZ82 is a fine weapon made of fine components but aren't they about 40 years old now? I have several milsurp rifles and enjoy them but I dont see the Cz82 matching up with a Hi Point for use as a truck gun or bedside gun. The best price I can find for a CZ82 is about $200 with one mag and extra mags are $25. For carry, yes just about anything is better than my HPoint. I am looking for a 45 that holds 17 rounds, weighs 14 oz loaded, and fits in my jeans pocket. I will trade you some oceanfront property in Kansas if anyone has one.

 

[harmon rabb]

My Hi Point 9 mm shoots +p with no problem. Since I bought it used for under $100 and I see them new at guns shows for $139 I am having a hard time finding CZ even close to that price. I know the CZ82 is a fine weapon made of fine components but aren't they about 40 years old now? I have several milsurp rifles and enjoy them but I dont see the Cz82 matching up with a Hi Point for use as a truck gun or bedside gun. The best price I can find for a CZ82 is about $200 with one mag and extra mags are $25. For carry, yes just about anything is better than my HPoint. I am looking for a 45 that holds 17 rounds, weighs 14 oz loaded, and fits in my jeans pocket. I will trade you some oceanfront property in Kansas if anyone has one.

Uh, have you shot a cz-82? Even assuming that a given hi-point and a given cz-82 are both 100% reliable... have you shot a cz-82?

The cz-82 is very ergonomic. It has a shockingly good trigger for a milsurp gun. And when I say shockingly good, I mean make you look at your $1200 Sig or H&K and wonder why its trigger isn't like that good.

Next to a medium end 1911 (i.e. trigger job, generally $1000+ base price), there is nothing I shoot better than a cz-82. And nothing I'd rather have if the SHTF.

 

[Inebriated]

Next to a medium end 1911 (i.e. trigger job, generally $1000+ base price), there is nothing I shoot better than a cz-82. And nothing I'd rather have if the SHTF.

Congratulations! You have preferences that differ from his! What a day this is!

 

[jrdolall]

I think I mentioned that the CZ82 is a fine gun made from quality components. I also said that i see no advantage to a CZ over a Hi Point for a truck gun. My definition of truck gun is one that will go bang every time, shoots anything you put in it, doesn't make me cringe if it gets scratched, and would not cause me to have a seizure if it got lost. I have shot several CZs and Makarovs as well. The CZ is a fine gun, better than the Makarov IMHO but I don't see ANY advantage of owning a gun that costs more and is less powerful for this purpose. For the range the CZ wins hands down. For bragging rights, CZ. For the glove box in the Bronco, Hi Point. CZ is not my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5the choice for SHTF.

 

[OurSafeHome.net]

HiPoints are good, cheap guns.

 

[Viper]

For quite a few years, I've carried a C9 locked in my glove compartment. I would never do that with one of my SIG's, HK's, Kimbers, or Kahrs. The gun has been 100%, is fairly accurate, is almost indestructible, and was cheap. I pull it out every two or three months to clean and reload it, but that all.

BTW, I also bought a 45 carbine to replace a stolen 9mm and it has the same attributes, plus it's fun to shoot. Neither will ever replace my collection of high end carry and range guns, but they do work.

 

[Swing]

You couldn't pay me to own one, but if it floats your boat, rock on. Most of my friends who have one are happy campers. Just nothing I'm interested in.

 

[tryshoot]

Local gun shop has carried them for 10? yrs. Said never had one come back. Said they are very good. Never owned one, but shot 9mm carbine with laser. Never jammed, shot well. Would own one in a minute. Must be great deal.

 

[Pietro Beretta]

I must have an old high point, my firing pin only has a single spring, and a plastic sleeve that looks like it broke in half; or it could have been two sleeves just badly cut.

 

[PT92]

One thing I have noticed since the very positive youtube vids as well as flattering articles concerning Hi-Point is that the so called 'gun-snobbing' has tailed off significantly. I think that both the favorable press and consumer reviews have proven (in many respects) to be irrefutable. Don't get me wrong, you don't have to like them or even advocate that someone purchase them, but one now would seemingly have to concede that they warrant a niche portion of the firearms market. Contrast this with the vociferous criticism of just a year or so back and it really is interesting how markedly its reputation has changed (perhaps a downward spiraling economy plays a role as well). While I am at it, I really think their carbines are absolutely overlooked. I have about 1k of .45 acp downrange from mine and it has been reliable which is precisely what I expected both from firing a buddy's as well as doing my own research. The one aspect that does surprise me, however, is that it feels like a tank--nothing cheap to its makeup whatsoever and in many respects reminds me of the Kel-Tec Sub2K in that it's a great little carbine for the money (can't decide which carbine I like better but for me the Sub's folding capability give it the edge).

-Cheers

 

[meanmrmustard]

I effing LOVE the Hi Point carbine. I got it over the Sub2k souly based on weight. Why a heavier rifle? Because it stays on target that much better. I've shot them both. I've seen the keltec fail, but not the hi point. It is a tank, and trustworthy to boot.

 

[raubvogel]

Here is my opinion about the Hi Point vs P64 and/or CZ82. I have the Hi Point C9. And a P64. And a Makarov. So now all I need is the CZ82. Why decide when I can treat them as Pokemons?

 

[makarovnik]

I had a PA-63. Looked nice but ran like crap and kicked like a mule. Traded it for a Hi-Point and have been happy ever since.

 

[David E]

I effing LOVE the Hi Point carbine. I got it over the Sub2k souly based on weight. Why a heavier rifle? Because it stays on target that much better. I've shot them both. I've seen the keltec fail, but not the hi point. It is a tank, and trustworthy to boot.

Proper technique controls the "kick" of a 9mm/.40 pistol caliber carbine quite effectively, even a light carbine.

My KT-2000 takes Glock mags holding up to 33 rds. It folds in 1/2, fitting neatly in a briefcase, ready to travel inconspicuously anywhere. The Hi-Point carbine can do none of this.

 

[meanmrmustard]

It also doesn't jam. The Sub2k does this much. The Hi point accepts optics, as it does not fold. Fold a Subby with an optic? No.
Accuracy, up to the shooter, but I find the HP more so.
I do not carry my weapons in briefcases, as I am not Jason Bourne. But, with an OAL around 36 inches, the HP is already quite compact.
Technique? Put it tight in the shoulder and squeeze! Doesn't mean a .375 will kick like a 22.
Plus...it's cheaper to boot. I find the HP carbine superior. Not pistol, mind you, the carbine.

 

[PT92]

It also doesn't jam. The Sub2k does this much. The Hi point accepts optics, as it does not fold. Fold a Subby with an optic? No.
Accuracy, up to the shooter, but I find the HP more so.
I do not carry my weapons in briefcases, as I am not Jason Bourne. But, with an OAL around 36 inches, the HP is already quite compact.
Technique? Put it tight in the shoulder and squeeze! Doesn't mean a .375 will kick like a 22.
Plus...it's cheaper to boot. I find the HP carbine superior. Not pistol, mind you, the carbine.

I have them both and neither have ever failed to fire or even jam using either cheap bulk (primarily) and some HP's I tested if I decide to use for HD. What was the ammo and the problem with the Sub you were shooting?

-Cheers

 

[meanmrmustard]

You know, it did not work well with, rem umc, fed. Champion, OR wwb. The only three I tried before it went down the road, over a year ago. I do not miss it, but I'm happy with the HP. No jams ever, and a bit more accurate.

I am, however, happy to hear of your luck.

I've owned HP pistols. Junk.
Never owned a Keltec pistol, but I do own a su16a. Fun.

Not all KTs are junk. The Subby, IMO, is not among those.

 

[PT92]

You know, it did not work well with, rem umc, fed. Champion, OR wwb. The only three I tried before it went down the road, over a year ago. I do not miss it, but I'm happy with the HP. No jams ever, and a bit more accurate.

I am, however, happy to hear of your luck.

I've owned HP pistols. Junk.
Never owned a Keltec pistol, but I do own a su16a. Fun.

Not all KTs are junk. The Subby, IMO, is not among those.

I always like to hear objective and even in some cases subjective feedback/criticism. I will say this about the Kel-Tec's (last comment as I don't want to veer too much off of OP) in that they (at times) can require a 'fluff-n-buff' if you will to properly cycle all types of ammo (FMJ should, however, just run all day long out-of-the-box).

Back to the Hi-Point's, I have a C9 and a .45 acp carbine and they have both been 100% out-of-the-box absent any polishing of the chambers etc. Nice to see that America still has a company or two marketing guns for the so called 'masses.' Nothing against my Rugers, Smith's, Remington's etc. I'm just saying...

-Cheers

 

[meanmrmustard]

Lucky...

 

[V1ROT8]

I have been pleased with my Hi Point products.

 

[meanmrmustard]

As you should be.

 

[marine 97-03]

I had a hi point it was a fine weapon....I sold it got a sub2k...its a better weapon imho... if it has an optic and can't fold si what the hi point can't fold with or with out one...and mine just loves WWB ...with it taking glock mags it wins hands down.....hi points are fine..but I put the sub2k more in line with a just right carbine or a cx4 strom..than a hi point

 

[meanmrmustard]

I had a hi point it was a fine weapon....I sold it got a sub2k...its a better weapon imho... if it has an optic and can't fold si what the hi point can't fold with or with out one...and mine just loves WWB ...with it taking glock mags it wins hands down.....hi points are fine..but I put the sub2k more in line with a just right carbine or a cx4 strom..than a hi point

Exactly my point. If it is a foldable weapon, and you place an optic on it, you've just ruined 50% of it's appeal, the other half being that it takes Glock mags. Other than that, what is the point in a folding carbine? I got mine souly based on it's weight, not it's compact nature. "it will go anywhere!". Um, so will the hi point, and as I said before I find it ludicrous for some to state how excited they are that it fits in a suitcase. Who carries a carbine in a suitcase?!?! That's just plain scary.

They both have good selling points. Neither is in league of the JR or CX4. The JR is a heavier weapon with capabilities for ornamentation similar to that of an AR 15, with it's adjustable stock and what not. As for the CX4...expensive as well, but does nothing the hi point can't and for hundreds less. Of the four, the JR would be the one I'd want. The hi point not far behind, and I might as well stop listing the other two.

Point is, I'm one of those cats that if I have a gun that refuses to cooperate, I don't baby it, or pick and choose ammo, or even go to extensive lengths to work on it. I'll send em back to the manufacturer if need be. But, if you polish a turd, it's still a turd. I sell failure guns to buy guns that work. If the Subby didn't work, sorry, but it's crap to me. Folding is not important to me. Glock mags are nice (33 rounder) but I hate Glocks so there is no mag compatibility for me, so that too is essentially useless. If you owned Glock, it would make sense.

So, if at any time this seemed a comparison of those, I don't see the Sub2K as the victor. Also, I'm completely off topic and apologize.