Iraqi politicians call on civilians to arm themselves

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I don't blame the Iraqis for wanting to arm themselves against the terrorists.

We are fighting monsters in Iraq. People who do monsterous things to other people, including other Muslims. Doubt me? Read this;

Wait a second, I need Rush and National Review to tell me that Al Queda does horrible things? Put Rush next to George Clooney and they can each describe the horrors that take place in their favorite little piece of hell on earth. (For those of you that don't know for Clooney it is Darfur).

Yes horrible things are happening in Iraq and Darfur and Somalia and the African country formely known as Rhodesia and those FARC boys in Colombia are not amateurs when it comes to spilling blood either. Why should we babysit every Civil War on this planet?

As for Iraq who overthrew one of the few SECULAR LEADERS IN THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST? A killer to be sure but a man who had CHRISTIANS and women IN HIS CABINET. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Aziz (If you need proof that he was not in bed with the Islamic fundamentalists.) How many Christians would Bin Laden have in his Cabinet?

I support the Iraqi call for arming civilians to counter the terrorists BUT it is their fight and not ours. The sooner we leave that civil war the better off everyone will be.

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...how does it help the average Iraqi... well if you were an Iraqi dad and you were with your neighbor, and you two saw some scumbags planting a bomb to get your kids, well I guess if the Police don't show up, the Iraqi .GOV is saying do something about it before they pop off the IED to get your kids... wouldn't be the first time over there that neighbors fixed a problem like that...
 
If they do that I bet all the Iraqis who had their firearms confiscated by the various militaries are going to really peed off they have to buy them all over again.
 
Rush is downright delusional. He talks about the media managing the news?

He is the media! don't deny that your the media Rush, don't make it like you are a credible source and the bbc and CNN are not. Last time I looked they didn't buy into a manure pit like that cannibalism story.

Islamic fundamentalists would literally kill themselves before commiting a religous and political sin of that magnitude. If somehow they did convince themselves to do it, every Al qaeda operative in the muslim countries would instantly become a marked man for whatever tribe the boy was from.

for those who don't know in Iraq you have Family, extended family, clan and then tribes. tribes consists of thousands of people, some of the larger ones near half a million. And they take things like cannibalism very very seriously.
 
Maggoty,

You just reminded me of the propaganda during the Gulf War. Remember the one about Iraqi soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators?

http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

"In fact, the most emotionally moving testimony on October 10 came from a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only by her first name of Nayirah. According to the Caucus, Nayirah's full name was being kept confidential to prevent Iraqi reprisals against her family in occupied Kuwait. Sobbing, she described what she had seen with her own eyes in a hospital in Kuwait City. Her written testimony was passed out in a media kit prepared by Citizens for a Free Kuwait. "I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital," Nayirah said. "While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die."83

Three months passed between Nayirah's testimony and the start of the war. During those months, the story of babies torn from their incubators was repeated over and over again. President Bush told the story. It was recited as fact in Congressional testimony, on TV and radio talk shows, and at the UN Security Council. "Of all the accusations made against the dictator," MacArthur observed, "none had more impact on American public opinion than the one about Iraqi soldiers removing 312 babies from their incubators and leaving them to die on the cold hospital floors of Kuwait City."84

At the Human Rights Caucus, however, Hill & Knowlton and Congressman Lantos had failed to reveal that Nayirah was a member of the Kuwaiti Royal Family. Her father, in fact, was Saud Nasir al-Sabah, Kuwait's Ambassador to the US, who sat listening in the hearing room during her testimony. The Caucus also failed to reveal that H&K vice-president Lauri Fitz-Pegado had coached Nayirah in what even the Kuwaitis' own investigators later confirmed was false testimony."
 
so, uh, how does an AK help me against an IED

It simply gives you the confidence to remove yourself as a passive supporter of the insurgent element because you now have the ability to defend against a personal attack by armed insurgents.

Had the general population been armed immediately the Hussein government was defeated the country would - my opinion - be relatively peaceful and foreign forces would have been home quite some time ago.

Insurgent/rebel forces cannot be effective without considerable support - passive/active - from the general population. That support is available only if the general population is either afraid of the insurgent/rebel forces - passive - or doesn't believe their government has their interests at heart - active.

Unfortunately, the Iraqi government clings to the belief that citizens should sit back and do nothing "if security forces can protect them." That is the myth we are all fighting.
 
Wait a second, I need Rush and National Review to tell me that Al Queda does horrible things? Put Rush next to George Clooney and they can each describe the horrors that take place in their favorite little piece of hell on earth. (For those of you that don't know for Clooney it is Darfur).

Yes horrible things are happening in Iraq and Darfur and Somalia and the African country formely known as Rhodesia and those FARC boys in Colombia are not amateurs when it comes to spilling blood either. Why should we babysit every Civil War on this planet?

Apparently you do...You even wrote the word Al Qaeda, misspelled it but nonetheless you wrote it and missed the point of my post. In fact too many of you missed the point this was Al Qaeda that baked the kid.
Not other Iraqis. If we leave Iraq, then the Al Qaeda fighters there are freed up to go elsewhere. Possibly here. You need to stop and think about that. Right now we keep them occupied there. Darfur is not a threat to us or in the US national interest. Saddam Hussein's Iraq was. I find it ironic idiots like George Clooney who denounce the President for going to Iraq and as a by product stopped the bloodbath there, are also the same folks that demand the President invade Darfur to stop the bloodbath there...

Some are bothered that this came from Rush Limbaugh and National Review. GROW UP. Facts are facts and it matters not where they come from. Rush and NR certainly have to make fewer retractions for mistakes or out and out fraud like the New York Times, Washington Post, Time Magazine etc...

Islamic fundamentalists would literally kill themselves before commiting a religous and political sin of that magnitude. If somehow they did convince themselves to do it, every Al qaeda operative in the muslim countries would instantly become a marked man for whatever tribe the boy was from.

for those who don't know in Iraq you have Family, extended family, clan and then tribes. tribes consists of thousands of people, some of the larger ones near half a million. And they take things like cannibalism very very seriously.

To a certain extent this is correct. In Al Anbar the surge was working and the locals began helping us because of Al Qaeda atrocities. The fact they are doing such things shows their desperation. We can win if we stick to the goal of a stable Iraq. The fact we even debate this over here strenthens the enemy.

The world is full of savage barbarians. We cannot stop them all. There is nothing in Iraq worth a single American life or dollar. We aren't "stopping terrorism".

The American people are done with Iraq. Nobody cares any more. Get ready for a President who will get our soldiers out of there, which probably means Clinton or Obama.
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Not stopping terrorism? So how many huge attacks have been stopped over here since 9/11? Answer. Many. How many pulled off. None. Want to rethink that.

Nothing of value in Iraq? Are you kidding? What is the price of gas in your town?

You are right about folks being ready to give up on the war. The leftist media has picked the subjects they cover carefully and have killed support for the war,just like they did Vietnam. Sadly many weak minded Americans have fallen for the leftist propaganda... Dig deeper for your information friends. If we are defeated in the Middle East the credit of victory does not go to the military skill of our enemy, but the propaganda talent of the leftist news media and the inept impatient American population who expect victory in five minutes or forget it. The anti Bush media has done their job well. You know them, the same people who beat the drum to take your guns. Wake up folks.
 
Darfur is not a threat to us or in the US national interest. Saddam Hussein's Iraq was.

I've been under a rock ever since the Iraq War began, and right before I was cut off from communication in basic training, so I missed the whole thing on how Iraq was a threat to our National Security.

So please enlighten me as to how a country with no ICBM capabilities and a defunct chemical program could hope to harm us?

No my rejection of this is not based on the source. It's based on my observations during my tours there.

The fact that we debate this here, does not strengthen Al qaeda, it proves we still have the 1st amendment, also maybe you haven't heard, but Al-qaeda in Iraq is literally a training ground, we can't stay forever, they know it, and they are just soaking up great training until we leave. Thats just a fact of life, not a point against us pulling out.
 
Too many of you missed the point this was Al Qaeda that baked the kid. Not other Iraqis. If we leave Iraq, then the Al Qaeda fighters there are freed up to go elsewhere. Possibly here. You need to stop and think about that. Right now we keep them occupied there. Darfur is not a threat to us or in the US national interest. Saddam Hussein's Iraq was. I find it ironic idiots like George Clooney who denounce the President for going to Iraq and as a by product stopped the bloodbath there, are also the same folks that demand the President invade Darfur to stop the bloodbath there...

No one missed the point. The whole notion that if we leave they will follow us is ridiculous. They are already "here", and in England and in Madrid. If you want to protect yourself secure your borders don't go babysit a foreign civil war. The bottom line is that we should not be in Iraq OR Darfur.


Facts are facts and it matters not where they come from.
Except when it's made up propaganda like the Iraqi soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators during the Gulf War.


We can win if we stick to the goal of a stable Iraq.

The biggest myth right now is that there is an "Iraq" or an "Iraqi" people. There are Sunnis, Shi'ites, Kurds, some Christians, and several splits within each group. Maybe we should send more troops to the Balkans to try to put the old Yugoslavia back together again.

The fact we even debate this over here strenthens the enemy.
I do hope you respect the 2nd A more than you seem to respect the 1st. Debate is all the more important during a war than during peacetime. Otherwise we surrender ourselves to a Duce or "Dear Leader" who might very well have no one's interest in mind other than his own.

Nothing of value in Iraq? Are you kidding? What is the price of gas in your town?

So what? We buy oil from the Thug in Venezuela and the feudal family that runs Saudi Arabia (where most of the 9/11 highjackers came from) and we'll buy it from whatever Thug takes over Iraq (or pieces of it) when we are gone.

You are right about folks being ready to give up on the war. The leftist media has picked the subjects they cover carefully and have killed support for the war,just like they did Vietnam. Sadly many weak minded Americans have fallen for the leftist propaganda...

Lefty this lefty that. I hate the Left as much as anyone but there is a very, very long tradition of being non-interventionist and anti-wars that are not necessary for the National Interest ON THE RIGHT . Have you ever heard about the Old Right, Robert Taft, Paleo conservatives, Russell Kirk, Pat Buchanan, Libertarians, Ron Paul, the Cato Institute, etc. etc.

That's right the VERY PRO-GUN, CATO INSTITUTE in DC that JUST helped overturn gun restrictions in the Nation's capital has been against the continuation of this war.

See for example the work of Ted Galen Carpenter, vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=7424

"Escaping the Trap: Why the United States Must Leave Iraq
by Ted Galen Carpenter

Ted Galen Carpenter, vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of seven books on international affairs and a coauthor of Exiting Iraq: Why the U.S. Must End the Military Occupation and Renew the War against Al Qaeda (2004)."
 
gopguy, don't choke on the cool-aid. :rolleyes:

Some are bothered that this came from Rush Limbaugh and National Review. GROW UP. Facts are facts and it matters not where they come from.

And yet, I haven't seen many real facts here. You're posting a rant from a known fascist wingnut, who references a web site by a journalist who heard the story through a translator, talking to an Iraqi who probably had a friend of a friend who know a guy that saw it first-hand... :scrutiny:

Not other Iraqis. If we leave Iraq, then the Al Qaeda fighters there are freed up to go elsewhere. Possibly here.

Really, your argument is very thin. The violence in Iraq is mostly due to conflicting domestic religious and ethnic groups, and they're too busy fighting each other to come over here. Al Quaeda has been making attacks elsewhere, mainly in Europe... some successful, and some executed with laughable incompetence. I'm not too worried about it.

This whole mess was created because the people who live in the middle east don't like the way we've meddled in their countries. The proper, long-term solution is to stop meddling.
 
Maggoty Thank you for your service. You said
So please enlighten me as to how a country with no ICBM capabilities and a defunct chemical program could hope to harm us?
Uh, did Osama have ICBMs? Iraq was a terrorist training prior to the war too. I am sure you have seen the derelict airliner that was sitting at Salman Pak.

I have every respect for the 1st Amendment. My point is the enemy uses the fact we are divided as a propaganda tool. You surely saw too.

The fact that we debate this here, does not strengthen Al qaeda, it proves we still have the 1st amendment, also maybe you haven't heard, but Al-qaeda in Iraq is literally a training ground, we can't stay forever, they know it, and they are just soaking up great training until we leave. Thats just a fact of life, not a point against us pulling out.
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Sigh...We stayed in Germany for years to stabilize it and keep the Soviets out. We also endured "Werewolf" attacks for several years following the war. Werewolves for those who have not studied their history, were fanatical Hitler Youth and former SS who would not give up. We executed several teenagers in those years...


Samtechlan, I agree. Sleeper cells are here. I agree defend the borders. But I also think we free up their resources and man power for attacks here if we take the pressure off them there.

Except when it's made up propaganda like the Iraqi soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators during the Gulf War.
I said facts, your example was BS put out by CNN.

The biggest myth right now is that there is an "Iraq" or an "Iraqi" people. There are Sunnis, Shi'ites, Kurds, some Christians, and several splits within each group. Maybe we should send more troops to the Balkans to try to put the old Yugoslavia back together again.
True, Iraq is an artifical creation as a result of carving up the Ottoman Empire post WWI. However selling the idea of cutting her up into three states will be a difficult sale in some quarters. It may however be the answer. However if we leave now it will probably lead to civil war, Iranian and Syrian intervention and more headaches for our children and grandchildren down the road.

I do hope you respect the 2nd A more than you seem to respect the 1st. Debate is all the more important during a war than during peacetime. Otherwise we surrender ourselves to a Duce or "Dear Leader" who might very well have no one's interest in mind other than his own.
See what I wrote above.

So what? We buy oil from the Thug in Venezuela and the feudal family that runs Saudi Arabia (where most of the 9/11 highjackers came from) and we'll buy it from whatever Thug takes over Iraq (or pieces of it) when we are gone.

Assuming they will sell to us. But thank you for noting there is something of value in Iraq. That which makes the engine of capitalism work.

Lefty this lefty that. I hate the Left as much as anyone but there is a very, very long tradition of being non-interventionist and anti-wars that are not necessary for the National Interest ON THE RIGHT . Have you ever heard about the Old Right, Robert Taft, Paleo conservatives, Russell Kirk, Pat Buchanan, Libertarians, Ron Paul, the Cato Institute, etc. etc.

That's right the VERY PRO-GUN, CATO INSTITUTE in DC that JUST helped overturn gun restrictions in the Nation's capital has been against the continuation of this war.

Very familiar with the good folks at CATO. Having lived in the Metro DC area I cheer their work on the Parker case. I know what that idiotic ban has meant for 30 years. Nevertheless the antiwar movement is driven by the left. Not isolationists or Libertarians. If Clinton invaded Iraq you would not have this drum beat against the war. I don't recall them screaming about our involvement in Yugoslavia. This is driven by a blind hatred of the President and they show no concern for the end result if we leave now.

We bail out now and in a decade or two
we will have to go back in to Iraq. We allowed the
First World War end badly with the Treaty of
Versailles. Our history teachers all told us that
treaty gave rise to radicals like Hitler in Germany.
23 years after World War I we had to defeat Hitler at
huge cost. Something that could have been avoided had
WWI ended with a good peace treaty. We did not finish
off Saddam Hussein in 1991 and had to go back in 2003.
To leave now, is short sighted and stupid. We do this
right today or our children and grandchildren will pay
the penalty for our ineptitude, when they have to
finish what we lack the guts to do today...
 
nobody special said
And yet, I haven't seen many real facts here. You're posting a rant from a known fascist wingnut, who references a web site by a journalist who heard the story through a translator, talking to an Iraqi who probably had a friend of a friend who know a guy that saw it first-hand...

Thanks for the "fascist wingnut" comment. My recollection is Rush is a defender of the Second Amendment. Anyway it makes further comment on your incidiary post unnecessary. Unless you would like to back up your personal attack on an ally to the American gun owner with some facts.
 
gopguy, Iraq was a secular bastion before we invaded it and destroyed the infrastructure. An Infrastucture that included a secret police force that would do the soviets proud, Iraq was not a training ground until we turned it into one.

saddam had a very vested interest in keeping al qaeda out, he wasn't ruling through sharia, they would have been opposed to him and tried to fight him if he let them in.

Al qaeda doesn't use our discourse as propaganda, they don't need to, they just spread stories about our night vision really being X-ray vision that we use to look through a girl's burkha and they get all the reaction they need.

Sigh...We stayed in Germany for years to stabilize it and keep the Soviets out. We also endured "Werewolf" attacks for several years following the war. Werewolves for those who have not studied their history, were fanatical Hitler Youth and former SS who would not give up. We executed several teenagers in those years...

I'm glad you only had to execute "several" teenagers. We shot at and killed teenagers daily, and that was in 2006.

True, Iraq is an artifical creation as a result of carving up the Ottoman Empire post WWI. However selling the idea of cutting her up into three states will be a difficult sale in some quarters. It may however be the answer. However if we leave now it will probably lead to civil war, Iranian and Syrian intervention and more headaches for our children and grandchildren down the road.

actually one thing I can tell you from my experience, The civil war has already started. Sorry if you didn't get the memo, the postal service horrible about these things. We wouldn't be talking about a three state solution if they weren't already killing each other daily, in open warfare.

And the threat for outside intervention is actually from turkey, who's waiting for us to leave so the 140,000 troops on the turkish-kurdish border can destabilize the one area of Iraq where they aren't fighting.

We bail out now and in a decade or two
we will have to go back in to Iraq. We allowed the
First World War end badly with the Treaty of
Versailles. Our history teachers all told us that
treaty gave rise to radicals like Hitler in Germany.
23 years after World War I we had to defeat Hitler at
huge cost. Something that could have been avoided had
WWI ended with a good peace treaty. We did not finish
off Saddam Hussein in 1991 and had to go back in 2003.
To leave now, is short sighted and stupid. We do this
right today or our children and grandchildren will pay
the penalty for our ineptitude, when they have to
finish what we lack the guts to do today...

First we never had a mission to invade Iraq in 1991, the mission was to liberate Kuwait.

the radicals have already risen from our mismanagement, (I.E. Sadr) and I doubt we're going to force the Insurgents or the militias to sign an agreement to limit arms production and pay us tribute that hobbles thier economy. especially when we don't have a clear victory.

and finally we haven't gone back to Veitnam yet, is that what it's going to take to convince you we are in an untenable situation?
 
Except when it's made up propaganda like the Iraqi soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators during the Gulf War.

I said facts, your example was BS put out by CNN.

BS that was spread by the pro-war crowd over and over again. Shades of WWI when other warmongers spread stories that German soldiers were bayoneting Belgian babies and raping nuns.

True, Iraq is an artifical creation as a result of carving up the Ottoman Empire post WWI. However selling the idea of cutting her up into three states will be a difficult sale in some quarters. It may however be the answer. However if we leave now it will probably lead to civil war, Iranian and Syrian intervention and more headaches for our children and grandchildren down the road.

You concede that we are trying to hold together an artificial state but want to continue the occupation because of possible Iranian and Syrian intervention? Sorry but that threat won't fly. Syria is a deeply divided nation with a tiny ethnic/religious minority, the Alawites, ruling over a large Sunni population with a substantial Kurd minority thrown in. It would be lunacy for Syria to import the Iraqi civil war into its fragile nation and it could easily lead to the Alawite elite being wiped out. The good eye doctor who runs Syria, Assad, is anything but a suicidal lunatic which is why he did not intervene directly when the Israelis where using Lebanon for target practice last summer.

As to the Iranian threat: Please remind me again who put the current Iraqi Shi'ite fundamentalist govt with close ties to Iran, in power. Iran, a non Arab nation will not be able to conquer and control the various Arab tribes who occupy the territorry that is present day Iraq. Persians and Arabs often despise eache other; please refer to the decade long Iran-Iraq war as
Exhibit 1.

Assuming they will sell to us.
Of course they will sell it to us just like the reliably pro-American Chavez sells it to us. I doubt that Falafel and crude oil sandwiches make tasty, nutritious meals.
 
The Iraqi armed civilians are probably going to need their AK's against their own army.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070710/ts_csm/oturncoats&printer=1;_ylt=ApCDDRXjm_zL5amNQumvDPyOe8UF

Why there is a CIVIL WAR going on inside the "SECURITY FORCES":


US faced with Iraqi Army turncoats By Sam Dagher, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
Tue Jul 10, 4:00 AM ET

As the US military continues to move through Diyala Province to uproot Al Qaeda fighters hidden amid its villages, an emerging foe may be helping to erode many of the successes the Americans are having in the three-week-old operation "Arrowhead Ripper."

According to Iraqi soldiers and US officers, militants linked to Al Qaeda are using tribal and family connections and, in some cases, also providing financial incentives to members of the Iraqi Army to help them remain strong and evade capture.

Al Qaeda's position is also bolstered by a broader internecine sectarian struggle for survival, power, and resources between Sunnis and Shiites that has spilled into the Army itself. This fight within Iraqi security services often pits elements of the Army against the Shiite-dominated police force.

In interviews with Iraqi soldiers from the battalion based in Khalis, about 10 miles northwest of the provincial capital Baquba, some troops allege that Sunni and Shiite officers cooperate, respectively, with Al Qaeda-linked militants and Shiite militias. They say that this ranges from turning a blind eye to illegal checkpoints to actually facilitating the transit of weapons, ammunition, and cash through the checkpoints manned by the Iraqi Army.

A US Army officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter, goes even further.

"There have been reports of Iraqi Army units transporting weapons for militias and insurgents in military vehicles," he says, adding that some officers even receive money from truckers in return for assurances that the roads on which their convoys travel will be protected.

For example, six Sunni officers in the Iraqi Army battalion in Khalis hail from the prominent Sunni Arab Obeidi tribe. They are accused by Shiite officers in the battalion, and even by some fellow Sunni soldiers, of being on the payroll of fellow Obeidi Khaled Albu-Abali, a former senior officer in Saddam Hussein's army, who is suspected to have links to Al Qaeda in Iraq.

"Yes, some Sunnis in our battalion are sympathetic to these elements because they still cannot accept an Iraq where Shiites have power," says Maj. Hussein Kadhim.

In an interview, three of the Sunni officers deny the charges and accuse some of their Shiite comrades of running death squads and manning illegal checkpoints in cooperation with the recently formed Khalis Emergency Response Force (ERF), a mostly Shiite paramilitary group, and the Khalis Shiite mayor, Uday Adnan, to cleanse the whole area of Sunnis.

Maj. Wissam Hamid admits, though, that some Sunni villages in Diyala have sought the protection of Al Qaeda operatives against Shiite militias and warns that more will do the same if the militias are not reined in.

These competing interests and allegiances – that often get in the way of the American mission in Diyala to defeat Al Qaeda forces – were on full display here last Thursday.

While Iraqi officers were having lunch, Maj. Faisal Majid, a Sunni, received a call on his cellphone. The person on the other end told him that a mob, backed by a local paramilitary group, had descended on the homes of the Albu-Abali Sunni family. The group was about to loot and set the properties on fire, the caller said.

US Army Maj. Dom Dionne, who is part of the team working with the Iraqi battalion in Khalis, rushed to the scene. When he arrived with his men, not a single shop in the area was open. A police pickup truck blocked a side street where the Albu-Abali homes are located. Members of the ERF, a Shiite paramilitary group dressed in green camouflage and red berets, stood on street corners.

Major Dionne was greeted by the ERF leader Col. Hussein Hamham. One of Colonel Hamham's men showed off a sword that was found in the home of Khaled Albu-Abali. Many in Khalis say he's now a senior leader in the Islamic State in Iraq – an Al Qaeda umbrella group – who goes by the pseudonym Abu Walid al-Shami.

"They used this to kill Shiites," says the policeman.

Hamham assures Dionne that his men had simply gone into the homes for a routine search. The next day, all six homes were looted and set on fire. Iraqi security forces did little to stop it.

Dionne suspects it was the work of the Mahdi Army militia of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in retaliation for attacks on the homes of Shiites east of Khalis a few days before.

There is no proof that Albu-Abali is a member of Al Qaeda, says Dionne, but the episode is just one of many examples of the sectarian disputes involving Iraqi security forces that the US Army often finds itself having to navigate.

"The military goes through a vetting process to ensure that the soldiers are not known criminals or insurgents, but there is no process after that to screen them periodically to make sure they have not turned or started supporting criminals and terrorists," says Dionne.He says that is the responsibility of the sovereign Iraqi government and not the US Army. "With our current manning, it's not feasible," he adds.

Furthermore, the US military cannot put too much pressure on Sunni tribes in Diyala because, according to the Arrowhead Ripper commander, Gen. Mick Bednarek, it needs them to renounce Al Qaeda, provide intelligence, and encourage their sons to join the police and Army.
 
Thanks for the "fascist wingnut" comment. My recollection is Rush is a defender of the Second Amendment. Anyway it makes further comment on your incidiary post unnecessary. Unless you would like to back up your personal attack on an ally to the American gun owner with some facts.

It's not a personal attack, it's a description of the man's politics. Whether or not he supports the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant to this discussion.

Fact: There is no confirmed report with verifiable evidence for the cannibalism story.
Fact: The mess in Iraq is due to the US invasion, which had nothing to do with Al Queda.
Fact: Al Queda has been carrying out operations outside Iraq for many years.
Fact: Invading and occupying a foreign country will make you unpopular with the natives
Fact: Those natives might just take up arms against you... or join your enemies.
Fact: The great majority of "terrorist" attacks in the US were domestic, not carried out by foreigners.

I think it's unlikely that our withdrawal from Iraq will cause any significant increase in terrorism here in the US.
 
For those of you obssessed with stamping out cannibalism maybe we should start by invading Papua, New Guinea.:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korowai

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The Korowai, also called the Kolufo, are a people of southeastern Papua (i.e., the southeastern part of the western part of New Guinea). Their numbers are very roughly estimated at about 3,000.[citation needed] Until the 1970s, they were unaware of the existence of any people besides themselves and some immediately neighboring tribes.[citation needed] Only a few of them have become literate thus far. They are one of the few surviving tribes in the world that are thought to possibly still engage in cannibalism.
 
The Korowai, also called the Kolufo, are a people of southeastern Papua (i.e., the southeastern part of the western part of New Guinea). Their numbers are very roughly estimated at about 3,000.[citation needed] Until the 1970s, they were unaware of the existence of any people besides themselves and some immediately neighboring tribes.[citation needed] Only a few of them have become literate thus far. They are one of the few surviving tribes in the world that are thought to possibly still engage in cannibalism.

not questioning the validity but just wondering who the poor soul is they're going to send to get those citations....
 
Uh..Did Osama have ICBMs

Wouldn't have mattered if he did. Our intel agencies and our SPLENDED Bureau:rolleyes: wouldn't have caught on anyways. As it was Al Q and Team jihad operated under thier noses unopposed.:scrutiny:

http://www.peterlance.com

Hit the Able Danger link or get a copy of "A Pretext For War: 9/11, Iraq and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies" by James Bamford or do both and find out why we're in Iraq..............

I'll give you a hint....Israel and proxy war.
 
Maggoty
we haven't gone back to Veitnam yet, is that what it's going to take to convince you we are in an untenable situation?
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No we have not gone back to Vietnam. However our pulling out without concern for an ally lead to millions dying in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. Not exactly something I want to repeat, nor does it impress ones allies when you do such things. We are not in an untenable situation. I know dozens of soldiers, Marines and sailors in the Iraq, Afghan theater and nobody but you and a fellow from the 2nd ID that goes to a local (Quaker) college says anything like that.



Samtechlan
You concede that we are trying to hold together an artificial state
I concede it was artificially created in 1918, but remember unless you are older than 89 with a memory of your youth in Iraq, you have always been an Iraqi. Tribal ties are strong and it may be that the country will have to be partitioned. But if we can keep it intact that is a better idea.





Nobody Special
It's not a personal attack, it's a description of the man's politics.
Uh fascist wingnut is a personal attack, so better luck with your next observation. I am always bemused when someone calls a Republican a fascist, when the only Nazi like act perpetrated on the American people was Bill Clinton and Janet Reno burning American men women and children to death in Waco Texas. The bulk of Republicans support Second Amendment rights and personal freedom. Hardly fascist traits...
 
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