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Iraqis to file war crime charges against General Franks in Belgian Court

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-29apr2003-5.htm

Iraqis to accuse US military of war crimes
Ten Iraqi civilians are planning to file a complaint in a Belgian court accusing US General Tommy Franks and other US military officers of committing war crimes in Iraq, newspaper The Washington Times reports.

"The complaint will be filed stating that unknown American personnel are directly responsible for committing war crimes in Iraq," Jan Fermon, a Brussels-based lawyer representing the Iraqis, told the newspaper.

The complaint, to be filed in about two weeks, accuses US soldiers of firing on an ambulance, attacking a civilian bus, killing scores of civilians by bombing a Baghdad market place, and failing to prevent looting of hospitals.

"On some of these questions there is an issue of command responsibility for atrocities committed on the ground, and that responsibility ends with General Franks and those who are under him in the US lines of command," Mr Fermon said.

The complaint will ask a judge to decide whether indictments should be issued under Belgium's controversial 1993 law.

The law allows Belgian courts to judge suspects accused of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, regardless of where the alleged acts were committed or the nationality of the accused or the victims.

The newspaper report US administration officials reacted angrily.

"There will be diplomatic consequences" if the complaint is taken up in a Belgian court, an administration official was quoted as saying.

The report says Belgian doctors working in Iraq during the war met Iraqi citizens who said they were victims of war crimes committed by coalition forces.

The doctors urged them to submit their complaints to the Belgian court.

The Belgian Parliament in early April restricted the scope of the law.

Under the passed amendments, the Belgian Government can refer certain cases brought under the law to the courts in the defendant's country of origin.

Some 30 current or former political leaders are facing legal action under the law, including Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and former US president George Bush.

The talking heads say that the Belgian gov't has the right to refuse a case, and will probably do so in this instance...

...at which time it will be turned over to the International Criminal Court.

I'd like to give a clear "Attaboy" to President Bush for getting us the hell away from the ICC.

And for everyone out there who assured us that the ICC would only be used against Third World dictators during their diatribes against President Bush's stance, I'd like to give a clear **pptthhbbtt**

I told you so.

LawDog
 
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-4-2003_pg4_8

Iraqis target Gen Franks for war crimes trial

By Jeffrey T Kuhner

WASHINGTON: Iraqi civilians are preparing a complaint to present in court in Belgium accusing allied commander Gen. Tommy Franks and other US military officials of war crimes in Iraq, according to the attorney representing the plaintiffs.

The complaint will state that coalition forces are responsible for the indiscriminate killing of Iraqi civilians, the bombing of a marketplace in Baghdad, the shooting of an ambulance, and failure to prevent the mass looting of hospitals, said Jan Fermon, a Brussels-based lawyer. He is representing about 10 Iraqis who say they were victims of or eyewitnesses to atrocities committed during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Mr Fermon said the complaint will ask an investigative magistrate to look into whether indictments should be issued against Gen. Franks. If an indictment is filed against the general and other US officials, they could be convicted and sentenced by a Belgian court.

“Belgium could issue international arrest warrants, but I don’t think we will get to that point,†Mr Fermon said. If arrest warrants were issued, US officials could be arrested on entering Belgium.

The Bush administration has reacted angrily to the complaint. A senior administration official warned that “there will be diplomatic consequences for Belgium†if the complaint is taken up by a court there and Belgian authorities issue indictments against Gen. Franks and other US officials.

“The complaint will be filed stating that unknown American personnel are directly responsible for committing war crimes in Iraq,†Mr Fermon said.

“On some of these questions there is an issue of command responsibility for atrocities committed on the ground, and that responsibility ends with Gen. Franks and those who are under him in the US military line of command,†he said.

The administration official said the complaint highlights US concerns that laws regarding war crimes and institutions such as the International Criminal Court (ICC) can be used to initiate politically motivated prosecutions against American officials. “This is obviously not a political case with the ICC, but it’s typical of what we can expect in the future,†the official said on the condition of anonymity.

Mr Fermon said that because under international law President Bush and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell cannot be prosecuted for war crimes while they are in office, the complaint will target Gen. Franks and other US military officials.

“US military officials had the authority but did nothing to stop these war crimes from occurring,†Mr Fermon said. “A military commander is responsible for war crimes even if he did not commit or order them, but also if he fails to take all the necessary steps to prevent the atrocities from happening.â€

Mr Fermon said the complaint against US officials is based on a 1993 Belgian law that gives a Belgian court authority to judge war crimes committed by noncitizens anywhere in the world. The plaintiffs sought to file the complaint with the recently inaugurated ICC, but “since the United States did not ratify the treaty to join the institution, we felt compelled to go to a court in Belgium,†he said.

He said Belgium’s law of “universal jurisdiction†recently allowed indictments to be issued against Rwandan officials for war crimes. He said a similar process is expected to take place against Gen. Franks and other US military officials.

“The most realistic scenario for us is that a serious, independent inquiry is made, and then those US officials with serious responsibilities for the atrocities that were committed in Iraq are subpoenaed to appear in court,†he said. “If they do not show up in court, then a court case can proceed with them being absent. If the court finds them guilty, they will be convicted and sentenced.†The filing of the complaint threatens to heighten tensions between Brussels and Washington, which have been strained since Belgium joined France and Germany to lead European opposition to the war in Iraq.

Earlier this month, Mr Powell said Belgium’s law threatened to hamper travel by US officials to Brussels, where NATO headquarters are located.

“It affects the ability of people to travel in Belgium without being subject to this kind of threat. For a place that is an international center, they should be a little bit concerned about this,†Mr Powell said, according to the Associated Press.

Washington’s concerns recently prompted Belgian lawmakers to approve amendments to the law, making it harder for cases to be filed against leaders of democratic nations.

Complaints that have been filed against high-ranking leaders such as former President George Bush and Mr Powell over the 1991 Persian Gulf war are to be sent back to Washington.

Under the amendments, the 10-year-old law only applies to war crimes committed in countries that lack democratic credentials and are unable to provide a fair trial. But international-law observers say the amendments still leave it up to the Belgian government to decide whether complaints can go forward against US officials.

“These amendments are a positive first step because they help to restore some control over the complaint process by giving the Belgian government the power to shape these kinds of proceedings against the United States, but they are not a panacea,†said David Rivkin, a Washington-based lawyer and former official in the Reagan administration and first Bush administration. “They would not shield all possible defendants from these kind of complaints because it is not clear that the Belgian government can always be trusted to do the right thing.â€

He also said because the amendments have not been tested, it is not clear whether US military officials who are not political leaders, such as Gen. Franks, can be shielded from prosecution.

The senior administration official said the complaint against Gen. Franks was deeply flawed. “There are serious problems with the principle of command responsibility being used in international law as the basis for indictments,†the official said. “It goes well beyond what we could reasonably call criminal behavior.†But Mr Fermon said that the principle of “command responsibility†has been established in international law by the war-crimes tribunals for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia at The Hague.

Mr Fermon said the principle has been used especially effectively in indictments against generals in the former Yugoslavia, who have been charged not “for crimes that were committed or ordered, but for command responsibility.â€

The most notable case has been that of Croatian Gen. Ante Gotovina, whose indictment on charges of command responsibility over a 1995 military operation has been criticized by many Hague tribunal observers. Gen. Gotovina has refused to hand himself over to the tribunal.

Although the administration official declined to discuss the specifics of the Gotovina case, he said, “But I do think that the indictments issued by the Hague tribunal based on the theory of command responsibility risks establishing the principle in international law,†which could be used against US officials.

Mr Fermon said four Belgian doctors who were working in Iraq during the war came into contact with Iraqi civilians who said they were victims of war crimes by coalition forces. The doctors, who were part of an association called Medicine for the Third World, then told the Iraqis to submit their complaints to a court in Belgium.

Mr Fermon said that the plaintiffs number about 10 Iraqi civilians, all of whom say they were victims in the war or family members of victims.

“We don’t yet know the precise number of plaintiffs because complaints are still coming in,†he said.

But the complaint, which Mr Fermon said will be officially filed in about two weeks, will accuse coalition forces of numerous atrocities in Iraq. Among them:

The failure to prevent the mass looting of hospitals in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime.

Eyewitness testimony of US troops firing upon an ambulance.

The indiscriminate shooting and wounding its driver by US armored vehicles of civilians in Baghdad.

The bombing of a marketplace in Baghdad that killed scores of civilians.

The attack on a civilian bus with an âœenergy weapon†in the town of al-Hillah, killing at least 10 passengers. —TWT

Highlighting is mine.

LawDog
 
The ICC is a joke, just like the UN. It's a good thing the U.S. didn't sign that piece of junk politics. The ICC is social engineering on a world scale to turn war into a courtroom drama and, at the same time, give a bunch of European countries who don't have the guts to wage a war to topple tyrants a way to look righteous. Of course, their "righteousness" would be AFTER the millions of innocents would be dead. Then, rather than stop the tyrants before they killed those people, they would just hope he would turn himself in to the ICC for a trial and probably a posh incarceration at Spandau. That way, they look like they're interested in justice while they're really not. And as an added bonus, it provides a vehicle to get at the United States whose military successes tend to embarrass those Europeans so reluctant to use theirs (unless it's maintaining a slight grasp on a pseudo-colony as the French do in Africa.) It's sure to be an even bigger hit for the tinpot despots and ragbag terrorists than merely denouncing the U.S. (and Israel) in the United Nations. Now, terrorists can take hostages and claim to be holding them as war criminals to turn them over to the ICC.
 
Please Lord, let the Belgians seize an American official and try to put him on trial. Let the French aid them in this crusade.

Should the Belgians be so imprudent as to carry this action forward I can only predict the following result for them....PAIN! :fire:
 
If Gen'l Franks is innocent, he should have nothing to fear. Avoiding Belgium and the ICC is evidence of knowledge of guilt. When he does appear, he should bring his full entourage.:D
 
The ICC is a diplomat court, created by diplomats, for diplomats. Diplomats are what got us 12 years of Operation Sothern Watch, and the WTC attacks.
You will pardon me if I fail to do cartwheels over something a diplomat says...........
 
I like the charge about failing to protect the Iraqi hospitals from Iraqu looters.

By the way, are these Iraqis filing any charges against Saddam for what he did to the Kurds and other dissidents?

Belgium:neener: Come and get him if you want him.
 
One of the unintended consequences of our efforts in Iraq is the clear description of what one world organisms are really all about.

UN -- corrupt, despotic, power grabbing, incompetitent, illegitimate. antagonistic to liberty.

NATO -- solution to a problem that does not exist

ICC -- designed to limit the US. Anyone, anywhere can file against any American. Good move on Bush's part to flush it. Problem is it still exists and claims to have jurisdiction against members of a sovereign country. Bush needs to blow it up. No way should the US dignify the ICC by responding to any demands it makes. Ignore it.
 
I truly believe he should appear in court to answer the charges and take the entire 3rd Infantry Division with him. Belgium is attempting to dictate standards to the rest of the world, and that's pretty ambitious for a two-bit piece of real estate.
 
If civilians have standing before the ICC, it's a much bigger joke than I thought! :rolleyes:
 
What're they gonna do if we refused to hand him over? Declare war?
Well, here is a problem with this law (and a problem many Israeli officials and former officials face right now), we don't have to hand him over. The court claims jurisdiction. If he ever sets foot in Belgium he can be (and probably would be) arrested if he doesn't submit himself to the court if he is charged. What's worse is that he won't be able to go to any country that is bound by treaty (i.e. any member of the EU) to arrest him for the Beligians if they choose to charge him and he doesn't submit to their court (I guess technically since there will be a Belgian arrest warrant any country with an extradition treaty w/ Belgium, like us here in the US, would be in violation of international law by violating the extradition treaty if WE didn't arrest him and extradite him). Welcome to the 21st century.
 
The Belgians should stick to making chocolate & banking & of course, making guns. Other than that, leave us alone. Like Pilgrim says, funny but doesn't the winner get to ferret out the war criminals?
 
Gen. Tommy Franks charged with war crimes!

I can and cannot believe this. This is just a little aggravating!:fire:

Franks to face Iraq warcrimes case

BRUSSELS, Belgium --A group of Iraqis will file a war crimes case against U.S. Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of American-led forces in Iraq, their lawyer in Belgium said Tuesday.

Jan Fermon told The Associated Press the claim would specifically name Franks and other unspecified U.S. troops who allegedly committed various war crimes across Iraq.

"There are 19 victims of the war so far that have come forward to back the case," he told AP.

The case will be made under a controversial 1993 Belgian war crimes law, which allowed universal reach in war crimes until it was amended early this month.

The amended "genocide law" still allows Belgium to refer foreigners to their own governments for alleged war crimes.

Fermon said he was confident that his claim, to be filed on May 13, would be accepted under the new rules.

Once filed, an investigating magistrate in Brussels will have to study the allegations to see whether there is a case against Franks and others.

Alleged atrocities in the case include the failure of U.S. troops to prevent the looting of hospitals in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

On Monday, U.S. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in Washington that the administration of George W. Bush was concerned about the new case.

"We believe the Belgian government needs to be diligent in taking steps to prevent abuse of the legal system for political ends," Boucher said.

Evidence to support the claim, including video footage and interviews, were gathered by two Belgian doctors stationed in Baghdad during the war. Both returned to Brussels last week.

About 30 genocide cases have been lodged in Belgium against former and present leaders, including Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. (Full story)

Edited: Forgot to say, his was on www.cnn.com
 
AHHH.......HA HA HA HA HA HA.....AAHHHAAAAAA....HA HA HA !!!!!!!

Let the stinkin rats come over here and get him!!!!
Maybe we oughta hit Belguim next! :cuss:
 
Leave the Belgians alone. Why is the lawyer still breathing? Stop this foolishness at the starting place.
 
Yeah, everbody knows you can't charge people with war crimes if you lose! Only the winners get to try people for war crimes.
 
Accidental civilian deaths are regrettable in a war but are no case for a war crime tribunal. If they can prove that he killed civilians on purpose(which I doubt) then they can have at it.
 
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