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30-06 only caliber rifle I've ever owned. Does everything I need ,can buy ammo for it anywhere and their is a boat load of different reloading components for it that are readily available. Why switch? :thumbup:
 
Anything in the 6mm to 7mm family. For my purposes (mostly plinking and busting pop cans) they don't do anything a .223, .308 or .30-06 doesn't at a lower price point.

Also, I just don't like the numbers 6 and 7. Not sure why, but I've always had a disdain for them.
 
Picher said:
The .308 Win is a baby .30-06 for those folks who think they need a semi-auto or pump to hunt deer. The .30-06 is a great round for eastern deer hunting and I've used it effectively. However, the .270 Win has a flatter trajectory, using 130 grain pointed soft points, etc., so holdover out to 350 yards is minimal, depending on sighting-in by the "rule of 3's, which I adhere to for the quick shots I need down an abandoned county road, where deer present a quick shot as they walk across at various ranges. I adopted the .270 when my .22-250 was banned from turkey shoots because it won too often. I loaded 90 grain Sierra spitzers for those matches and it won, but not as much. It proved perfect for my deer stand, however.
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What is the rule of 3's?
 
The "Rule of Threes" says that hunting with a particular cartridge is optimized by not having the bullet path more than three inches high or low from the line of sight from the muzzle to a particular distance. It assumes that the kill zone is about 6" vertically, so the "point blank" range for a particular round is that which, when sighted in, is good for a quick shot, aimed at the center of the kill zone, will make a quick kill. For instance, my .270 Win, sighted in at +2.3 at 200 yards is within 3" of line of sight to about 325 yards, using 130 grain Ballistic Tips at 3,200 fps from the 24" BBL.
 
I like the .308. I don't like the .444. I love the 30-30, 30-40, and 12 gauge AA trap loads.
Done.
 
Hrrmmphh. I think that the .308 Winchester (7.62x51) is the best cartridge ever, or at least one of the very best. And its offspring are right up there with it, especially the .260 Remington. On the other hand, I really despise any and all of the Short Fat Magnums that were all the rage a few years ago. And the .270 is just gay.
 
someguy2800 said:
I don't like anything with weatherby in the name. Also hate everything win mag except 338. I like 270 alot. I don't like 243 or 7mm-08, which makes no since because I do like 260, 308, 338 fed, and 358 winchester. I really don't like 22-250. I have hated 6.5 grendel since the first time I saw one but I have come around to see the value on that one, but only in an AR15. I wouldn't cross the street to pick up a 6.5 grendel bolt rifle off the sidewalk. I also don't like people that tuck in T shirts, yellow houses, or people who leave there wipers in the middle of the windshield.
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Me either!! It seems its always expensive because of the name attached to it.
 
I used to not like he .308, but of course I didn't have one. That's kinda the definition of prejudice -- not liking something you know nothing about. Then one day at a gun show, I saw a Model 99 Savage at an attractive price. "That a .300 Savage?"

"Nope," he said, "Its a .308." I took it home and started shooting deer with it, and I love it. In a bolt gun, I still prefer .30-06, but this Savage is the ideal deer rifle.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
I used to not like he .308, but of course I didn't have one. That's kinda the definition of prejudice -- not liking something you know nothing about.
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That’s pretty much why the pointless debates and squabbles take place on here.
Peoples lack of understanding of variable difference and benefits of different cartridge dynamics for their intended purpose.
That being said, I agree with whoever said they dislike short magnums. I would have to agree with that. I don’t have a tangible reason they should exist.
 
When it comes to a deer rifle i don't care for anything in magnum! 7mm, 300WM, etc. Its a deer common people! lol. That's why i shoot em with a 45-70govt and 300-350gr boolit! :) Having a deer rifle sending a less than 200gr bullet at 4k fps doesn't make much sense to me. For anything in the east/NE a 30-30, 30-06, 45-70, 308, 243 will do just fine IMO and i don't really care for the 243 either for a deer caliber. Heck id rather shoot a moose with a 45-70 LE than a 300WM.

300Blk out, 6.8, 7.62x39, etc i don't care for cause i'm not an AR fan. Don't get me wrong they are fun to shoot but i like being in control and operating the bolt.

don't care for 22mag, 22 short, 22cb. If i wanted to shoot something larger than a 22lr i would purchase a 223rem at minimum, and if i wanted to shoot shorts id buy a pellet rifle. Don't care for 17hmr either just for the fact of the cost of ammo for what it is and guys slinging them through the tree tops. 22lr i'm okay with shooting squirrel but anything larger is going way too far if you miss.

Don't care for 16gr, 28ga, 410 shotguns either. Just keep it 12-20ga and be done. Ammo for the others is too expensive and performance just isn't there IMO.

Don't care for 444marlin-ammo is too expensive and hard to find and 45-70 does the same job.

If you gave me any caliber in any rifle make they would be as follows.

223rem-varmint and paper-cheap ammo and found everywhere.
30-06-deer, bear, elk, boar, moose-ammo is cheap and found everywhere.
308win-deer, bear, elk, boar, moose-ammo is cheap and found everywhere.
30-30win-just cause I love a lever gun and its more a nostalgia thing.
9mm-ammo is cheap and eliminates the threat just like the almighty 45acp.
12ga. Can be used to take any small game or bird on the planet-ammo is cheap and found everywhere.
 
ohihunter2014 said:
When it comes to a deer rifle i don't care for anything in magnum! 7mm, 300WM, etc. Its a deer common people! lol. That's why i shoot em with a 45-70govt and 300-350gr boolit! :) Having a deer rifle sending a less than 200gr bullet at 4k fps doesn't make much sense to me. For anything in the east/NE a 30-30, 30-06, 45-70, 308, 243 will do just fine IMO and i don't really care for the 243 either for a deer caliber. Heck id rather shoot a moose with a 45-70 LE than a 300WM.

300Blk out, 6.8, 7.62x39, etc i don't care for cause i'm not an AR fan. Don't get me wrong they are fun to shoot but i like being in control and operating the bolt.

don't care for 22mag, 22 short, 22cb. If i wanted to shoot something larger than a 22lr i would purchase a 223rem at minimum, and if i wanted to shoot shorts id buy a pellet rifle. Don't care for 17hmr either just for the fact of the cost of ammo for what it is and guys slinging them through the tree tops. 22lr i'm okay with shooting squirrel but anything larger is going way too far if you miss.

Don't care for 16gr, 28ga, 410 shotguns either. Just keep it 12-20ga and be done. Ammo for the others is too expensive and performance just isn't there IMO.

Don't care for 444marlin-ammo is too expensive and hard to find and 45-70 does the same job.

If you gave me any caliber in any rifle make they would be as follows.

223rem-varmint and paper-cheap ammo and found everywhere.
30-06-deer, bear, elk, boar, moose-ammo is cheap and found everywhere.
308win-deer, bear, elk, boar, moose-ammo is cheap and found everywhere.
30-30win-just cause I love a lever gun and its more a nostalgia thing.
9mm-ammo is cheap and eliminates the threat just like the almighty 45acp.
12ga. Can be used to take any small game or bird on the planet-ammo is cheap and found everywhere.
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Goes to what I was saying. Have you ever hunted in open valley high country where a 600y shot is common and stalking is difficult because of terrain? A .300 win mag is quite useful then.
Have you ever shot anyone to death with a 9mm or a .45? Because I can tell you a 9mm does nothing to a doped up haji. You shoot a dood right in the head or get a cns shot then great with a 9mm but when people are moving around in the mist of confusion, I can say it’s not easy to just worry about “shot placement”
 
I think part of my affinity for the 7mm-08 - aside from the objective data you can see on paper - is that it makes a handsome cartridge. IMO the .308 is top heavy and the .243 looks like a pinhead. Stupid I know, and I understand well the benefits of all of them. But I just like the look of a 7mm-08 cartridge in my hand.

I've never owned and don't think I've ever even fired a 22-250, but I have no desire to. That is the goofiest looking round I can think of.
 
Cdb1:

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GeeNo
 
Klint Beastwood said:
Goes to what I was saying. Have you ever hunted in open valley high country where a 600y shot is common and stalking is difficult because of terrain? A .300 win mag is quite useful then.
Have you ever shot anyone to death with a 9mm or a .45? Because I can tell you a 9mm does nothing to a doped up haji. You shoot a dood right in the head or get a cns shot then great with a 9mm but when people are moving around in the mist of confusion, I can say it’s not easy to just worry about “shot placement”
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No ive never had to shoot a "doped up haji" and probably never will. Both make a hole, both make ya bleed, both let the air out of your lungs and blood out of your heart the same.

For rifle-I was talking the normal whitetail deer 95% of us hunt and i would hope that no one will be taking 600yard shots on deer.
 
Picher said:
The "Rule of Threes" says that hunting with a particular cartridge is optimized by not having the bullet path more than three inches high or low from the line of sight from the muzzle to a particular distance. It assumes that the kill zone is about 6" vertically, so the "point blank" range for a particular round is that which, when sighted in, is good for a quick shot, aimed at the center of the kill zone, will make a quick kill. For instance, my .270 Win, sighted in at +2.3 at 200 yards is within 3" of line of sight to about 325 yards, using 130 grain Ballistic Tips at 3,200 fps from the 24" BBL.
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Gotcha. And wow that 130 is smoking along. I punched that into my ballistic calculator and that's actually a bit flatter than my 22" barrel 25-06 with 120's. ballistic coefficient is better but I can't get 3200 fps. Mabey 3100 if I really wanted to. My hunting load is 3000. Doesn't matter since I shoot most deer at 60 yards.

Newtosavage said:
I think part of my affinity for the 7mm-08 - aside from the objective data you can see on paper - is that it makes a handsome cartridge. IMO the .308 is top heavy and the .243 looks like a pinhead. Stupid I know, and I understand well the benefits of all of them. But I just like the look of a 7mm-08 cartridge in my hand.

I've never owned and don't think I've ever even fired a 22-250, but I have no desire to. That is the goofiest looking round I can think of.
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Every time I look at my 25-06 rounds I always think they look like a big huge guy with a tiny hat. Just silly looking. My favorite cartridges of late are long and skinny and straight wall or near straight wall. Like 338-06 or 30-30 AI.
 
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When I 1st saw this thread I didn't reply because I can't think of any cartridges that I don't like for irrational reasons. I have several that I choose to use over others. But I have very rational reasons. And it isn't that I dislike them, I just find others are better. They all work. Then after some thought I realized that I don't have much use for most rifle rounds with odd numbers. I can find a place for 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, and 30 caliber. But not so much for 17, 25, 27, 33, or 35. There are a couple of exceptions. I do like 375 caliber, but can't find anything the 32's do that a 30 doesn't do better.

There isn't any cartridge in 25 caliber that does anything better than comparable 24 calibers, and the 26 calibers are better. Same with 27 caliber. I'd just as soon use something in 26 caliber, and comparable cartridges in 28 caliber cartridges are better than the 27's.

From a rational standpoint the 28's are probably as big as anyone needs for non-dangerous game. But I guess you could say I have an Irrational preference for 30 calibers. On paper the 28's are better, but the 30's so common in this country that they have to be considered. The 30-06 is where I started and I've grown to like 308. But in all honesty, 280 and 7-08 are better. But not by much, and at this point I ain't changing.

Above 28/30 caliber the next step up is 375 caliber. The 33's, 35's aren't enough bigger to help. I'd feel every bit as well armed with anything in 28 or 30 caliber as 33 or 35 caliber on non-dangerous game. If it is over 1000 lbs and can kill me I'm going up to 375 and skip everything in between.
 
Oh and don't tell anyone but I like 444 marlin
jmr40 said:
When I 1st saw this thread I didn't reply because I can't think of any cartridges that I don't like for irrational reasons. I have several that I choose to use over others. But I have very rational reasons. And it isn't that I dislike them, I just find others are better. They all work. Then after some thought I realized that I don't have much use for most rifle rounds with odd numbers. I can find a place for 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, and 30 caliber. But not so much for 17, 25, 27, 33, or 35. There are a couple of exceptions. I do like 375 caliber, but can't find anything the 32's do that a 30 doesn't do better.

There isn't any cartridge in 25 caliber that does anything better than comparable 24 calibers, and the 26 calibers are better. Same with 27 caliber. I'd just as soon use something in 26 caliber, and comparable cartridges in 28 caliber cartridges are better than the 27's.

From a rational standpoint the 28's are probably as big as anyone needs for non-dangerous game. But I guess you could say I have an Irrational preference for 30 calibers. On paper the 28's are better, but the 30's so common in this country that they have to be considered. The 30-06 is where I started and I've grown to like 308. But in all honesty, 280 and 7-08 are better. But not by much, and at this point I ain't changing.

Above 28/30 caliber the next step up is 375 caliber. The 33's, 35's aren't enough bigger to help. I'd feel every bit as well armed with anything in 28 or 30 caliber as 33 or 35 caliber on non-dangerous game. If it is over 1000 lbs and can kill me I'm going up to 375 and skip everything in between.
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The logical half of my brain agrees with all of this 120%.
 
ohihunter2014 said:
No ive never had to shoot a "doped up haji" and probably never will. Both make a hole, both make ya bleed, both let the air out of your lungs and blood out of your heart the same.

For rifle-I was talking the normal whitetail deer 95% of us hunt and i would hope that no one will be taking 600yard shots on deer.
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With that logic so does a .22lr. Yet no intelligent person uses a .22 as a duty or ccw.

I only hunt mule deer. 500y is a common shot. My point being it’s all relative. The irrationalities are derived from bias based on one experience to another.
 
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