Is 6.5 creedmore here to stay?

Again, you can measure performance and say whatever you want based on data, but the ultimate data point is a dead critter....

"In my opinion, which despite its being as prejudiced as anyone else's is based on some experience, the proper no-nonsense big game cartridges start with the 7x57mm Mauser, the .308 Win., and the .270 [Winchester]. The 6.5 mm may qualify, but none of the lesser calibers do, not fully."

- Finn Aagaard -
 
IF we're speaking of hunting rifles ,then one has to ask what's the maximum range they've ever shot a Game Species that they hunt ?
75 yd 285 yd. 410 yd. ?. I can only speak for MYSELF ,however in the nearly #60 years I've hunted, MY longest shot has been 528 yd. . A hunting buddy string lined the shot with 100 yd. nylon string marked with 25 yd references ,as so we would know how far it was . NO RF's back then . I did that on a Big Muley in early 80's using MY 7RM 156 grain CuNi flat base bullet ,with a sizable load of H870 powder . Perhaps Norma bullet ?, never have been able to find any more of them . By pure quirk I came across nearly #4K of them in a storage facility content sale and a whole bunch of other stuff .

MY long winded point was HOW far are YOU going to shoot ?. I pass at anything over 400 yd. anymore , I figure if I can't get closer ,then they deserve to stay upright . In MY experience and I've had some on #5 Continents ,98% of ALL shooting is under 200 yd. .
 
"In my opinion, which despite its being as prejudiced as anyone else's is based on some experience, the proper no-nonsense big game cartridges start with the 7x57mm Mauser, the .308 Win., and the .270 [Winchester]. The 6.5 mm may qualify, but none of the lesser calibers do, not fully."

- Finn Aagaard -
Was he talking about North America or Africa? I don’t have the context of his quote to guage what he was referring to.

Regardless, I would agree I’d not hunt Africa with a 6.5 anything…but North America (especially if excluding moose and brown bears)?

Aagaard was certainly a legend in the hunting and gun writer world, but based on the current technology of firearms and ammunition available today, I’d say the quote you posted above is about as accurate as Jeff Coopers quotes about the 9MM he made back in his day.

What was ain’t really what is….

But I’m done with this…and will agree to disagree.
 
Was he talking about North America or Africa? I don’t have the context of his quote to guage what he was referring to.

Regardless, I would agree I’d not hunt Africa with a 6.5 anything…but North America (especially if excluding moose and brown bears)?

Aagaard was certainly a legend in the hunting and gun writer world, but based on the current technology of firearms and ammunition available today, I’d say the quote you posted above is about as accurate as Jeff Coopers quotes about the 9MM he made back in his day.

What was ain’t really what is….

But I’m done with this…and will agree to disagree.

He was very familiar with the 6.5x55mm, and inside of 600 yards, the 6.5 CM brings nothing new to the game fields.

Everything is better - that's why the .270 Winchester is still superior.
 
Was he talking about North America or Africa? I don’t have the context of his quote to guage what he was referring to.

Regardless, I would agree I’d not hunt Africa with a 6.5 anything…but North America (especially if excluding moose and brown bears)?

Aagaard was certainly a legend in the hunting and gun writer world, but based on the current technology of firearms and ammunition available today, I’d say the quote you posted above is about as accurate as Jeff Coopers quotes about the 9MM he made back in his day.

What was ain’t really what is….

But I’m done with this…and will agree to disagree.

You would be laughed out of Sweden ,as to excluding Moose with a 6.5 . Fyi ; One must pass the moving Moose target test in order to hunt Moose in Sweden . Been there and done that .


Basic rifle test​


The practical basic rifle test includes the following elements.


  1. Safe rifle handling
  2. Precision Shooting

Safe rifle handling​


For safe rifle handling, the sampler's ability to safely handle a rifle is tested.
To be eligible, the samplers weapons handling must be completely accurate and weapons habit otherwise acceptable.


If the sampler fails safe rifle handling or fails in precision shooting because of obvious inferior weapons handling, the test is discontinued.


Precision Shooting
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In precision shooting, the sampler's ability to shoot two tight match pictures of four shots each is examined. The first shooting series the sampler will shoot from a shooting bench with good support and the other series is shot knee standing or sitting down. Shooting distance should be 80 meters.


To pass requires the bullet holes in each series are fully covered by a circular result image templates.

Series shot from shooting bench may have up to 12 cm spread.

Series shot knee standing or sitting down may have at most 17 cm spread.
If only one series is approved, the test is failed.


Practical big game rifle test​


The practical big game rifle includes -
 
1. Shooting at a stationary moosefigure/target
2.Shooting at running moosefigure/target


Shooting distance is 80 meters.


At the time of the test the sampler may shoot a maximum of 9 series. One series consist of 4 shots, 2 shots at stationary and 2 shots at running target. For series to be approved, all 4 shots should be placed in the result field on the moosefigure/target.
Of these 9 series, at least 3 series must be approved for the test to be approved.
 
In plain words there are more 6.5CM being shot than 308. I wasn't making a judgement on either.
Just another fresh observation as I worked the range today after they had a record weekend. We are now about a month into the rifle sight-in season for all the hunters heading west and Wisconsin gun deer season just a few weeks away. I have picked up from the ground and benches more 270 and 30-06 than either the 6.5CM or the 308. So I guess there is still a strong following for those two ancient rounds.
 
If you load your own ammo then the 6.5 has a bit less need I think over 308. You can go low or high with the 308. Playing with the twist you can go 100 gr to 220 with 308...can't go do that with a CM.

Now is it here to stay? I think so yes. Is it better or worse than a 308? NO It has a place in the market for folks who don't roll their own.

IF you want to do your own handloads? 308 is better. If you want to do your own handloads and you want to do 6.5.

I do both but run a 6.5 grendel in a self loader and a 6.5 swede in a bolt gun. I roll my own so its no biggie for me and the bullet weights can be used for both applications to a certain weight and after its only the Swede that can go.

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Well mine is more like bobo thr clown if it grows out so...... probably not bun worthy....
Still...I shoot a creedmoor and dislike the .308, so i gotta get some bun points back there.
If someone has to use the term “man bun” in a 6.5 CM discussion, that simply tells me they have zero relevant information or argument to contribute.

Pretty much same as the term “fanboy” in a Glock thread.
 
I hope it stays around. It's the only high powered bolt rifle that I own, a Tikkca T3x Tact A1. I do not hunt with it. Just a range toy, which I very much enjoy reloading for and shooting. When I bought it a couple of years ago, I did a lot of research. 6.5CM was already at the top of my list, and I found no reason to do otherwise. I'm not shooting 500yds+. And I've been very happy with my decision. Relatively easy to find brass for, easy to reload, great performance.

I have noticed all the weird hate for the 6.5CM. I hope most of it is just good natured stuff, but it seems to be more than that at times. I just don't understand that.
 
I hope it stays around. It's the only high powered bolt rifle that I own, a Tikkca T3x Tact A1. I do not hunt with it. Just a range toy, which I very much enjoy reloading for and shooting. When I bought it a couple of years ago, I did a lot of research. 6.5CM was already at the top of my list, and I found no reason to do otherwise. I'm not shooting 500yds+. And I've been very happy with my decision. Relatively easy to find brass for, easy to reload, great performance.

I have noticed all the weird hate for the 6.5CM. I hope most of it is just good natured stuff, but it seems to be more than that at times. I just don't understand that.
I think the 6.5CM & 308win argument is not much different than the old 270 & 30-06 deer camp argument. They do about the same thing 99% of the time. In the deer woods give me the larger diameter heavier bullets of the 308. Ringing steel at 1000 yards I'll take the high BC bullets of the 6.5CM.
 
My wife's family is from Northern Wisconsin. One of her uncles owns an 800 acre deer camp (there was a movie made about that camp a few years ago), another owns a smaller one. I spend about 6 weeks every summer up there around those folks, and we do talk hunting. I don't believe I've ever heard them go on about what the best caliber is.
 
My wife's family is from Northern Wisconsin. One of her uncles owns an 800 acre deer camp (there was a movie made about that camp a few years ago), another owns a smaller one. I spend about 6 weeks every summer up there around those folks, and we do talk hunting. I don't believe I've ever heard them go on about what the best caliber is.
At times there is a little ribbing about different cartridges. Most of the guys use something that works for the area they hunt.
 
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