I know concealed carry is illegal...without permit...excluding Alaska and VT. But what about if it is visible...or just carrying it in your hand...its not concealed...if you can legally own one...why not? some say you can carry a loaded gun in a briefcase and its not concealed carry. So if I open carry...is that legall?
Is carrying a loaded firearm legal?
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El Tejon
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Which state are you in???
WayneConrad
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Alan Korwin's books are concice, and as far as anything about the law can be, easy reading. And they are far, far cheaper than running afoul of the law.
If you can't get your legal advice from a lawyer, at least get it from someone who has read the written and case law in your state.
Alan Korwin's books are concice, and as far as anything about the law can be, easy reading. And they are far, far cheaper than running afoul of the law.
If you can't get your legal advice from a lawyer, at least get it from someone who has read the written and case law in your state.
Zundfolge
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El Tejon said:
WickedXD said:
Yes and no.
Statewide open carry is legal ... in some cities (and some counties) its not.
Rev. DeadCorpse
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Zundfolge
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No. It depends on where in the state you are.
While open carry is technically legal throughout the state, some communities will still have you arrested for "disorderly conduct" if anyone complains (or a cop sees you). Other communities (like Wichita for example) have city ordnances against open carry (even though I believe that a state wide preemption law was passed recently).
Kansas is a web of confusing and inconsistent carry laws (so get your permit and after 1/1/07 you can CCW).
In general I'd advise against open carry anywhere in Kansas except some of the less populated counties out west (and then only after you've talked to the local Sheriff's office about it).
Rev. DeadCorpse
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Technically, you are correct. However, as Zundfolge points out, localities may have "stop scaring the Sheeple" laws they get you on instead.
Check with your local law enforcement types first if you have doubts about your neck of the woods. Be nice, be polite, but insist on an answer and have your facts lined up before making the call. Right down to applicable statute numbers. Better to talk it over on the phone with them than trying to "roadside lawyer" your arresting officer.
XavierBreath
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Better yet, consult an attorney. Legal advice is worth what you pay for it.
Got to Packing.org to see the laws relevant to your state.
carnaby
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Be carefull about that. Carrying it in your hand would be considered "brandishing" and is not legal in normal peaceful situations.
Zundfolge
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And if the information you are given is to not carry even though you know thats not the law, follow it anyway.
Sure you'll likely win if it goes to court, but until then expect harassment, confiscation of your sidearm and risk ventilation by an overzealious deputy (that would suck for you).
Kansas is not "Free America". The statist mentality is very much alive and well there (one of the many reasons I moved from the state of my birth after 33 years...can't figure out why I didn't move sooner).
What part of the state are you in? Have you been here yet: http://www.ksconcealedcarry.com/ ?
Rev. DeadCorpse
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Ye' Olde "You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride".
My thoughts exactly. It isn't "right". It isn't "Constitutional". But if it's the law you need to be ready to get smacked by it until we can get things changed back to what they should be.
Personally, I prefer open carry. It's more comfortable, easier access in a SHTF scenario, and it helps with the whole "scare the Sheeple" thing as they get acclimated to seeing other ordinary folks with sidearms.
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It depends on where you live in Kansas. For example, in Wichita:
Unlawful use of weapons.
(1) use of a weapon is knowingly:
(e) Carrying on one's person any unconcealed, loaded firearm, except when on one's land or in one's abode or fixed place of business;
(f) Carrying in any vehicle under one's immediate control, any loaded firearm, except when on one's land or in one's abode or fixed place of business;
(g) Carrying in any air, land, or water vehicle an unloaded firearm that is not encased in a container which completely encloses the firearm;
http://www.wichita.gov/CityCode/Default.htm?code=1487
It's not that simple.
Unlawful use of weapons.
(1) use of a weapon is knowingly:
(e) Carrying on one's person any unconcealed, loaded firearm, except when on one's land or in one's abode or fixed place of business;
(f) Carrying in any vehicle under one's immediate control, any loaded firearm, except when on one's land or in one's abode or fixed place of business;
(g) Carrying in any air, land, or water vehicle an unloaded firearm that is not encased in a container which completely encloses the firearm;
http://www.wichita.gov/CityCode/Default.htm?code=1487
It's not that simple.
thanks Jorg...i think that answers my question....according to those city codes of Wichita wich is were i live....I can carry my firearm on me openly...as long as it is not loaded correct? is that what everyone else understands? so i can have my mags on the otherside of me as long as my gun is undloaded?
Zundfolge
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Again, you may be safely within the letter of the law, but I guarantee you'll have problems with WPD if you open carry. Period.
(born and raised in Wichita ... left in 2002 ... I know these WPD guys and they are not going to let you walk around with a gun on your hip hassle free)
thats ok...i get hassled by them all the time anyway...HAHAHA besides I just talked to the city prossecutors office....I FOUND THE LOOPHOLE!!! I can carry open...as long as its unloaded. And I can carry loaded magazine on me also!
No need to apply for a CCW now! this is freaking sweet! and for all you guys that will say well what good is your unloaded gun in case of a BG encounter....
lets just say I'm a real fast speed loader. and who is gunna rob a guy with a gun?
No need to apply for a CCW now! this is freaking sweet! and for all you guys that will say well what good is your unloaded gun in case of a BG encounter....
lets just say I'm a real fast speed loader. and who is gunna rob a guy with a gun?
280PLUS
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You can load and fire your gun accurately in less than 2 seconds?
The person who wants the gun, sneaks up behind you and bops you on the head.
bigun15
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How do you know that?
Rev. DeadCorpse
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Gah... this idiot Judge needs to be reminded that the US Constitution strictly stipulates that "shall not be infringed" is the "Supreme law of the Land" the "Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding" and that "the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby".
So NO, they cannot legally, Constitutionally, "regulate" a Right out of existance. Not without tossing out the basic theory of our Nations government and just making it up as they go along...
Art Eatman
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The problem, Rev.DC, is that until somebody risks jail and takes it all the way to SCOTUS, it IS effectively the law in Kansas cities. That's the problem with a lot of these laws: Jail is no fun while your attorneys are spending your money--if you have the money in the first place. Going to SCOTUS ain't cheap.
So, for all practical purposes, yes, they can regulate a right out of existence.
Art
So, for all practical purposes, yes, they can regulate a right out of existence.
Art
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