Is it really us, or who we're told we are?

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I've pondered this question a lot over the years.

Growing up in a rural area, there wasn't a lot of things to do on the weekends. In High School, the run of the mill weekend was going to someone's party and drinking a lot of beer.

Now, at said parties, EVERY SINGLE one of us had a gun in our vehicle. That was just the way it was around here. We all grew up in firearms-owning families, we all hunted, and many of us had handguns as well.

At 15-16 years old, my family had enough trust in me that they were not concerned that I kept a Ruger Security Six .357 Magnum under the seat of my truck. Granted, I can't imagine that they knew just how much "partying" that I did.

But to the point...

So we had anywhere from 50-200 people at a party, most drinking, and a significant majority with firearms close by.

Fights occassionally broke out. I broke up a few. I was in a couple. And yet, NO ONE EVER pulled a firearm, shot anyone or anything, and life moved on.

When I got into college, I can essentially say the same thing about my college fraternity. It was a running joke in our fraternity that we had a member that worked with Public Safety. He'd call us to let us know when the Fraternity houses would be "surprise" inspected for contraband.

It was not uncommon to see SUV's pulled up behind our house while everyone loaded up firearms to be transported to some member's off campus apartment.

And yet, we never had anyone pull a gun, shoot a gun, or whatever at our parties-- even though we had some absolute FOOLS in our fraternity (on occassion-- with proper incentive-- I was one of them)


It comes back to this:

How do you raise your children? Children raised in households with firearms learn what a firearm IS and what it ISN'T. They learn that is NOT a toy and that it must be handled with care and responsibility.

These kids grow up holding power in thier hands. They learn about the consequences of using that power as they are taught responsible behavior.

Once they are out on thier own, those lessons are the foundation of their principles. They become an instinctual process.


Now, that isn't the sole issue. I will not discount the direction of our society in terms of glorifying "thug" culture, or our-- what seems to be-- increasing lack of respect or empathy for others. I won't discount what I see as a trend of not considering the consequence of actions.

But I do see that ALL of these things start in the home, with the parents. There are external environmental pressures, sure. But the home is the foundation. And this foundation is crumbling.



FYI: the period of time I am referring to regarding my high school and college was the mid-80's through '95.


-- John
 
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Yeah, this unstated presumption in our national dialogue to the effect that normal people become murderous under serious stress is unfounded. You have to be trained to kill in order to end up a killer. Ask a Marine DI how many times you have to shout "KILL!" in bootcamp.
 
Not that I have studied or even done ye ole Google search level or research but my gut tells me that it wasn’t less violent and "safer" in our story land remembrance of the past. I mean, there are verifiable accounts of "gentlemen" dueling during the time of our founding. Would that be considered acceptable now? And Im going to go out on a limb here but I think society has just lost the gut for the simple fact that some people just need killing... (not advocating any particular person or group, don’t turn me into the feds or anything) Not to trivialize the value of a life, but not all lives are valuable. (I know a bit harsh) A little off topic with the whole alcohol thing but I don’t think we are remembering history correctly here.

-Tsi
 
Oh, society was undoubtedly more violent in the past--just look at America 50 years ago. Parents didn't think twice about their kids learning boxing. In regards to dueling, it was the product of a society that accepted violence as a means of resolving mere affairs of honor.

If what you are saying is that there is a baseline of violence among people, then I disagree with you. The only things that people necessarily do are basic bodily functions; everything else, they must learn.
 
Most men give in to their wives / GF's not because they are right and make sense but because it is simpler and less exhausting. Same with what has become all these nanny laws, now we are finally making a stand and The Girls don't like it because they are used to getting their own way and not used to The Guys taking a stand.
 
Sort of an interesting issue. Here in VA, you must open carry in a restaurant that sells alcohol for on-premises consumption. The law says you cannot carry when drunk. Drunk is legally defined as .08% BAC. As long as you stay below that level, you can drink and carry - not that I or anyone I know would, but the law allows it.
 
One thing I like mentioning is the Fact that back in the Day CC was considered Cowardly, to bad that mentality doesn't exist any more.

2. I am a Happy Drunk, Its been a long time since Ive been in that kind of a state, However I don't think it would have been a good Idea to carry. Nowadays I do have a drink every now and then, and I have OCed at those particular times (no! not in bars) without Incident.
 
I mean, there are verifiable accounts of "gentlemen" dueling during the time of our founding. Would that be considered acceptable now?
Many duels were settled by a shot fired into the ground; the whole affair was more for show than anything else.

That said, a duel is combat willfully entered into by the parties under mutually-agreed terms. That being the case, whose rights are being violated if Bob and Mike agree to meet each other on the field of honor?
 
Well the way I see it concealed carry means just that and as long as your not drinking alcohol and carrying there should be no problems.

I guess they should make a law that says if your driving you cannot go into an establishment that sells alcohol. LEAVE YOUR CAR AT HOME!!
 
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