Ragnar Danneskjold
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Either you truly believe in equality between genders, or you don't. It would seem a lot of people on here don't.
Is "ladies day" at the shooting range sexist?
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Jim Watson
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I suspect this guy has had his last pleasurable heterosexual encounter.
bbuddtec
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^ hehe nice Jim
He was wrong as soon as he flipped a table and should be banned... a very poor reflection on ppl's view of shooters.
He was wrong as soon as he flipped a table and should be banned... a very poor reflection on ppl's view of shooters.
oneounceload
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+1, and that goes for ANY person on the taxpayer's payroll
22-rimfire
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Private business is free to offer free services any time they want to. IF they required the ladies to wear bikini's, then that would be sexist. Police officers are often given free coffee or whatever because the 7-11 or whatever likes to have them routinely visit and it may help curb crime a bit that affects their business.
mortablunt
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I'd call it being a cheapskate hothead. I have a feeling he doesn't know how hard it is to get middle class ladies to shoot. And private companies can do whatever they please. Imagine what he'd do if he read a Jezebel.com article...
tobenheim
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At my range, they let my 14 year old daughter shoot with me for free. There are a couple of reasons they do this. 1. I am a good customer and have bought most of my guns from them over the last couple of years. 2. If my daughter ends up buying a gun someday she will definitely buy it from them. 3. I bring in a new shooter at least once a month to give them a shooting experience. The last one I brought in walked out with a H&K USP Tactical. So, why does my 14 year old shoot for free? Because it makes good business sense.
Patrice,
At the local commercial indoor range the Thursday "Ladies Night" is very busy and the facility is overwhelmingly utilized by women and couples. I have seen very few single guys when I've dropped by to talk to the gunsmith or owner.
With all the lanes continuously taken up by women and couples, guys looking to meet women don't get an opportunity to shoot so they end up hanging around looking foolish.
If any exploitation is taking place it might be on the part of the owner wanting to boost business and provide an incentive for women to purchase firearms, accessories and supplies at his shop instead of Gander or Academy.
Of course, things could be entirely different where there is a smaller percentage of the public using ranges.
At the local commercial indoor range the Thursday "Ladies Night" is very busy and the facility is overwhelmingly utilized by women and couples. I have seen very few single guys when I've dropped by to talk to the gunsmith or owner.
With all the lanes continuously taken up by women and couples, guys looking to meet women don't get an opportunity to shoot so they end up hanging around looking foolish.
If any exploitation is taking place it might be on the part of the owner wanting to boost business and provide an incentive for women to purchase firearms, accessories and supplies at his shop instead of Gander or Academy.
Of course, things could be entirely different where there is a smaller percentage of the public using ranges.
HOWARD J
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This ""special"" cop makes a living off suing people
His second last case was a beauty salon where he was charged $2 more than a woman.
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His second last case was a beauty salon where he was charged $2 more than a woman.
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XD Fan
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It is hard for me to believe this is even a question. The guy at the range needs to just get over himself.
The general concensus here appears to be that the guy is a stick in the mud. I agree.
To play the devil's advocate, would it be OK to have a "Gay Day" or "Muslim Day" or whatever group discount day?
For me, I could care less. The more folks interested, the better.
Besides, it's a private organization.
To play the devil's advocate, would it be OK to have a "Gay Day" or "Muslim Day" or whatever group discount day?
For me, I could care less. The more folks interested, the better.
Besides, it's a private organization.
Ladies Day is the equivilant of Midway Ammo $20 coupons ... or the birthday discount. It's just a promotional thing. But guns are dangerous. I go when the range is the deadest.
I have no qualms if the girl, or guy, is qualified - but 30% are not. I have seen four 75 yr olds sharing the same gun - drinkers -kids with AK-47s - and women with low cut blouses doing the 'hot-brass-jig'
I have no qualms if the girl, or guy, is qualified - but 30% are not. I have seen four 75 yr olds sharing the same gun - drinkers -kids with AK-47s - and women with low cut blouses doing the 'hot-brass-jig'
General Geoff
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It is not absurd, it is fact. Discrimination based on sex is sexism, regardless of intent or reason. And offering a discount to females only, promotion or not, is sexist.
A more relevant question would be, is sexism always bad?
There is and will always be sexism. The Girl Scouts of America is a sexist organization, so is Boy Scouts of America. All sororities and fraternities are sexist organizations. Every women's sport league is sexist. There are countless other examples. Most of these organizations have good and logical reasons to be sexist, but the fact is that they are still sexist.
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JohnM
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who cares?
just saying----
Jinx D'jinn
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Anybody give any consideration to the fact that the range owner couldn't afford to buy the publicity this guy is giving him?
OK, I'll put on my tinfoil hat and wonder if there's not a connection between the owner and the complainer and long before the case gets to court it gets dropped.
OK, I'll put on my tinfoil hat and wonder if there's not a connection between the owner and the complainer and long before the case gets to court it gets dropped.
While I'm not against having a "Ladies Day" to involve more women in the sport or provide a special opportunity for guys to bring wives and GF's to the range, I can see where he is coming from. In this day and age of oversensitivity, affirmative action, equal rights, racism, sexism, political correctness, age/sex discrimination, ect., just once I would like to go somewhere and get a discount or a "break" for being a middle age, straight, white, male... LOL If there was a discount somewhere for guys like me then there really would be lawsuits... Nevertheless, it sounds like the guy acted like a jerk... There are businesses, organizations and institutions that deserve a law suit, but not the guy who runs the local shooting range.
Interesting point...
No, it's not the same thing, coupons and birthdays discounts are available to everyone. But I do think that, as in this case, there are some things that we should just choose to not make an issue out of or else we become part of "the problem".
Interesting point...
No, it's not the same thing, coupons and birthdays discounts are available to everyone. But I do think that, as in this case, there are some things that we should just choose to not make an issue out of or else we become part of "the problem".
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PT92
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Yeah it is because we all know if the opposite were true (men's night @ said range) the ACLU and the like would be all over it and 60 Minutes would show up for an expose'. That being said, if you're single it just might work out 
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Double Naught Spy
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The rate at which the group of shooters is growing and that the event is promotional really doesn't matter to determine if it is sexist. That it does happen once a week does indicate a pattern of definite bias that would be sexist.
Elsewhere in Maryland, Ladies Night and Skirt and Gown Night (which apparently allowed men to cross dress and get discounts) were deemed sexually discriminant despite just being a promotion.
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1986/A...riminates/id-06d9688c08ece61e4f1825be6431717e
The above case was in a different county in Maryland than the range, but did have a county law against such discrimination.
It is discriminant. The guy should be given back his $15, but not $200k.
Owen Sparks
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Some of us still belive in property rights. The range should be able to freely choose who they will and will not do business with reguardless of race, sex, disability or religion. If the range wants to give a discount to left handed Chinese athiests in wheel chairs it should be none of your or your governments business. If you don't like it you are free to open your own range.
He has filed frivilous lawsuits in the past.
In fact he lost one last year against a nail salon.
Ragnar Danneskjold
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What if the gun store had a "White People Shoot Free Day"?
It's about time people started actually putting their money where their mouth is. Equal rights are equal rights. We've been hearing for 100ish years about the equality of the genders. That women should have every single right that men have, and should be treated no differently in the workplace, school, etc. And that's all well and good. But true equality also means removing some of the privileges. If a woman can lobby to be let into the Augusta National, than there is no reason a man shouldn't be able to take advantage of some of the perks previously afforded to just woman. If we're going to talk about equality, we need to walk the walk too.
If we are going to to accept that businesses should be forced to treat people equally (which they already have to, ie: a range can't have a "White People Shoot Free Day") than we need to go all in. Either we're going to tow the equality line or we're not. We can't pick and choose which group to give favors and privileges too and scoff at others. That's not equality.
If the law is truly trying to foce equality, this man has a good case.
If you as a THR reader truly support equality, you'll see he has a good case too.
It's about time people started actually putting their money where their mouth is. Equal rights are equal rights. We've been hearing for 100ish years about the equality of the genders. That women should have every single right that men have, and should be treated no differently in the workplace, school, etc. And that's all well and good. But true equality also means removing some of the privileges. If a woman can lobby to be let into the Augusta National, than there is no reason a man shouldn't be able to take advantage of some of the perks previously afforded to just woman. If we're going to talk about equality, we need to walk the walk too.
If we are going to to accept that businesses should be forced to treat people equally (which they already have to, ie: a range can't have a "White People Shoot Free Day") than we need to go all in. Either we're going to tow the equality line or we're not. We can't pick and choose which group to give favors and privileges too and scoff at others. That's not equality.
If the law is truly trying to foce equality, this man has a good case.
If you as a THR reader truly support equality, you'll see he has a good case too.
I think that is quite a leap.
Ladies Night/Day/etc is a promotion that has been used for decades, at least. I would not be surprised if it goes back centuries.
Ladies come in all colors by the way. I do not see Ladies Day as discriminatory.
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