Is open and concealed carry a choice in TN?

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I'm moving to TN next month and I am not familiar with the open and concealed carry laws.

I believe open carry and concealed carry is allowed with a permit.

Does this mean I can open carry - say in a car or a boat and then go concealed carry when I want to then enter a business or other public place where open carry may not be welcome?

Can I carry in a resturant or bar? Are there any restrictions on a double open carry?
 
Yes with a pistol carry permit you can carry concealed or open in the great state of Tennessee
 
Yes, you can carry in a "restaurant" that serves alcohol, as there are no "bars" in TN. You just can't drink. Period.

Unless they're posted of course. "Posting" can consist of a 3" circle/slash decal discreetly placed where you can easily miss it, and it has the force of law. IIRC, Class C misdemeanor and $500 fine.
 
I am a resident and carry permit holder in Tennessee. While I am not an expert on the laws I can tell you what I have learned. First, Tennessee issues a Handgun Carry Permit. This means you can carry a handgun if you have this permit. It is not a concealed carry so you can carry open or concealed. Most people in my area that carry do it concealed but occasionally you will see someone open carrying in Walmart. You can not legally carry a handgun without a permit. The "Gun Buster" signs do have legal status and violating them is a Class B misdemeanor. We have no limit on magazine capacity. Overall it is a pretty gun friendly state.
 
if you want to get a little deeper into it, the area to study and understand is around the TN laws being based on intent. particularly the phrase intent to go armed.

prior to carry permit, carrying with the intent to go hunting was legal whereas DOING the exact same thing (walking around with a gun) with the intent to go armed was illegal. the carry permit law didn't completely negate that.

so for example, if you are going to visit someone and you expect to confront them and maybe get into an altercation (perhaps you just found out some dude cheated you out of some money or was messing around with your wife or something and you're going to talk to them about it), and you carry a gun, you could still be found guilty even with a carry permit.

IANAL, so maybe someone can explain it much better than I
 
If moving to east Tennessee, I recommend you not open carry. There are just too many northern transplants (me being one of them) and the call, "man with a gun" could easily go out causing you a bit more grief than open carry is worth.

West of Nashville, open carry is a little more accepted but seems to slow down as you approach Memphis.
 
If moving to east Tennessee, I recommend you not open carry. There are just too many northern transplants (me being one of them) and the call, "man with a gun" could easily go out causing you a bit more grief than open carry is worth.

West of Nashville, open carry is a little more accepted but seems to slow down as you approach Memphis.

Yeah, there are alot of transplants that want to force their liberal views on native Tennesseans and get nowhere. TN is a 1st cousin to Texas and they take a dim view of "Yankees movin' here and tryin' to tell us what to do."

It's my great fortune to have spent alot of time here in my youth to the degree that I'm almost a native. My ancestral home is here near Nashville and I'm related to both Stonewall and Andrew Jackson.

Everybody who lives rural you can bet are strapped or have a 'truck gun'. Open carry is often seen and rarely if ever commented upon unless one likes the CCW and says so. It opens up conversations that create good friends, sometimes.

Gun culture is simply part of life if one lives rurally and shooting is just part of growing up. When my wife and I obtained armaments and our CCPs we were a little shocked to find out how many people in our neighborhood were 2A friendly. Neighborhood being a subjective term in a rural existence. So, it really depends on where you live, but if you want to OC and have a permit then by all means do so.
 
prior to carry permit, carrying with the intent to go hunting was legal whereas DOING the exact same thing (walking around with a gun) with the intent to go armed was illegal. the carry permit law didn't completely negate that.

so for example, if you are going to visit someone and you expect to confront them and maybe get into an altercation (perhaps you just found out some dude cheated you out of some money or was messing around with your wife or something and you're going to talk to them about it), and you carry a gun, you could still be found guilty even with a carry permit.

I disagree. He'd be liable for anything unlawful he did with the firearm. And if so, he could expect to be charged appropriately. But the charges wouldn't include "going armed".

TN gun laws get their teeth from the TN Constitution which states "That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime. " This may be tested one day because of the Heller and McDonald decisions. But until then, the Tennessee Constitution gives the Legislature the authority to regulate the wearing of arms, which they did by declaring that carrying or wearing a firearm outside of lawful hunting, target shooting, etc. in public was a crime. There are several enumerated defenses to the charge of "going armed" within the "going armed" statute, and one of them is that the person has a Handgun Carry Permit.

And yes, a TN Handgun Carry Permit doesn't limit one to open carry or concealed carry--either are permissible by law.

Where this trips up the open carriers, however, is that by TN Law, carrying a firearm outside of obvious hunting, target shooting, etc. constitutes probable cause that the person is "going armed"--a crime. Other states require a permit to conceal firearms but allow open carry without a permit. Police who confront and/or detain someone in one of those states for the mere act of behaving lawfully while being openly armed are usually acting improperly. But in Tennessee, a handgun carry permit holder who openly carries and becomes the subject of a "man with a gun" complaint can be detained for probable cause--not just reasonable suspicion--and be required to produce a handgun carry permit.

If you're going to openly carry a firearm with a handgun carry permit in Tennessee, it would be wise to understand this. Expect to be confronted by police sooner or later, and understand that they have probable cause to believe that you are committing a crime until you produce that permit. Police in Tennessee are slowly becoming conditioned to expect that an armed man they see walking peacefully down the street likely has a permit. They may take no action if they're the ones to spot you first and you appear to be otherwise acting lawfully. But if they are responding to a 911 complaint about you, they will be more concerned with their liability for not at least checking to make sure you have the permit.

It can be an unpleasant encounter for both parties. The permit holder usually feels like he's getting harassed, and the police will be trying to do their due dilligence while seeking a balance between not wanting to be too overbearing or aggressive while maintaining some degree of officer safety. Some will, no doubt, tip the scales too far in the "officer safety" direction and approach you gun-in-hand to disarm you (and they may lawfully disarm handgun carry permit holders for the duration of the encounter, though not all will). It is much easier to save stress on everyone, from the soccer mom who dials 911, to the responding police officers, and to you by just keeping your handgun out of sight.
 
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