Is Saddam offering a deal to the US?

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From the Sunday Mirror, England (http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/...E-SADDAM-OFFERS-AMERICANS-DEAL-name_page.html):

DESPERATE SADDAM OFFERS AMERICANS DEAL

Sep 21 2003
From Paul Martin In Baghdad

SADDAM Hussein has been in secret negotiations with US forces in Iraq for the past nine days, we can reveal.

The Iraqi dictator is demanding safe passage to the former Soviet republic of Belarus. In exchange, he has vowed to provide information on weapons of mass destruction and disclose bank accounts where he siphoned off tens of millions of dollars in plundered cash.

President Bush is being kept abreast of the extraordinary talks by his National Security advisor Condoleezza Rice. She is co-ordinating negotiations in Baghdad which are led by Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of American forces in Iraq.

The United States has vowed never to negotiate with Saddam and want to take him dead or alive, but the White House hopes the clandestine talks will allow them to pinpoint the tyrant's exact location.

Saddam's English-speaking representative walked into the US HQ at Tikrit - the dictator's home town - on September 12 and asked to talk to senior officers.

He then led a group of US troops to a nearby suburb where one of Saddam's loyal security chiefs was waiting. The US officers were handed a hand-written note, purportedly from Saddam himself.

The security boss had a British-made Racal military radio set which he claimed gave him direct contact with people in the same room as the dictator. The radio is notoriously difficult to monitor.

He was immediately taken into custody, but the US has continued to exchange messages with Saddam using the radio and other means.

A senior Iraqi told The Sunday Mirror last night: "A representative of Saddam dressed in Western-style civilian clothes came to coalition people at Tikrit at sunset on September 12. He led them to a house where the security official was waiting.

"The discussions are now going on under the direct authority of General Sanchez. Naturally all the major decisions are being made at the level of the National Security Council, under Condoleezza Rice."

He maintained that Saddam had decided to seek a deal "because he is desperate, trapped and finding fewer and fewer people willing to give him shelter."

He added: "He resorts to arriving with a posse of armed men, and forcing them to give him hospitality. When he leaves the frightened 'hosts' are told they'll be killed if they say a word."

It is believed the US authorities will simply string Saddam along, aiming to track the go-betweens until they know exactly where to find the rogue leader.

"There's no doubt the net is closing, and that his supporters' efforts to get the Americans to pull out of Iraq are not succeeding," said the source.

"They can cause disruption and problems, but this does not bring Saddam any nearer to coming back to power, and he now knows it. The negotiators will try to keep the line of communication open as long as possible, but the word from Washington is: 'No deal'."

Saddam left strong hints that he was willing to talk in his last audio tape on Wednesday. It had a strongly defiant tone, but contained two significant indications that he was keen for a deal:

-SADDAM addressed the US president directly and gave him a possible get-out for a negotiated surrender. "There might be some who lied to you, but you believed those lies," he said, hinting that coalition intelligence was badly wrong.

-HE added: "If you want to discuss the withdrawal arrangements, some of the officials in the leadership arrested by your army ... you can contact them and hold a suitable dialogue."

Although Saddam was still proposing an unconditional American withdrawal from Iraq, coalition chiefs took his latest statement as a willingness to talk.

Since the fall of Baghdad in April the dictator has remained on the run.

Saddam-hunters say he moves disguised as a peasant or labourer in a long white dishdasha (gown), especially in remote countryside.

Fearing he will be spotted and betrayed, he seldom stays in one place for more than two hours. He is often sheltered by tribal leaders whom he appointed to replace the real leaders during his reign of terror.

"They owe their very existence and their status and money to him, so they feel a strong obligation," said one hunter.

"But the feeling of obligation gets less and less as time passes and the pressure mounts."

He is also believed to have made brief visits to Baghdad in brazen defiance of the occupying US forces.

One senior Iraqi told me: "He had set up over 1,000 hiding places before the fall, and I guess he goes from one to the other these days. When he was in power, even cabinet ministers wouldn't know where meetings were to be held.

"They were taken to a small bus, or if they were very senior the security sent a car. He's been a master of survival."

Saddam hunters have issued several photofit images of how he might look.

He has apparently run out of black hair-dye and will almost certainly have white hair.

"He's moving every two hours and he's not staying set," said Colonel Don Campbell, chief of staff of the 4th Infantry Division. "He has to."

Saddam has demanded to go to Belarus, the former Soviet republic which still has a president and leadership descended from the old guard Communist Party era.

Before the war the Americans told Saddam he could leave the country, but he spurned the offer.

Since then President Bush has rejected any idea of making a deal with the ousted leader and has put a $25million dead-or-alive bounty on his head.
 
This could go either way. I think that if a deal is made, it will be done to save the lives of our men. However, I would hate to hear that we had a deal made. If Sadaam is alive, he could again take control and continue where he had left off. This is why our men are seeing resistance. Sadaam is still alive and the people are afraid of him. If they don't resist the US and comply with the mission and Sadaam happens (not likely) to gain control again, it is death for those families. This is a long haul and I am willing to see it through. Yes, I have friends who are in Iraq and I don't want to see any harm done, but we need to finish this. No half *** this time around. I say kill the S.O.B and be done with it. No matter how long it takes. JMO
 
That oughtta really thrill the Russians.
They already up to their necks with islamic problems.

Lot of things left unsaid in that article.

Sam
 
kendra,

no, these terror attacks are not the work of Saddam loyalists. They are the work of islamic fundamentalists who now do not have to travel far to prove their manhood by shooting at the Great Satan, as will be made even clearer to the West when the Coalition do finally get hold of Saddam and the attacks continue.
 
Uh-huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight....

I'll believe what is said about his whereabouts when I see a properly decomposing DNA-tested corpse.
 
That oughtta really thrill the Russians.

LOL!!

The Russians couldn't stand the heat in Iraq and I'm sure they are waiting for the temps to drop before they put troops in.

They have a lot at stake in Iraq.
 

In exchange, he has vowed to provide information on weapons of mass destruction and disclose bank accounts where he siphoned off tens of millions of dollars in plundered cash.

Two thoughts come to mind.

It appears that he thinks Bush is feeling politically vulnerable on the WMD thing, which is understandable given media hysteria on the subject, and will jump at the deal to save his own political skin.

Also that the recovery of monies would help Bush since the Senate is making a big deal out of the supplemental funding request. Not that he give a flip about Bush beyond giving him something to consider a deal.

Personal opinion is that the acceptance of any deal that doesn't include Saddams head on a platter would be political suicide for Bush but, again considering the media slant, Saddam can be forgiven for thinking he can deal.
 
no, these terror attacks are not the work of Saddam loyalists. They are the work of islamic fundamentalists who now do not have to travel far to prove their manhood by shooting at the Great Satan, as will be made even clearer to the West when the Coalition do finally get hold of Saddam and the attacks continue.

Hmm...food for thought...forgive me, but do you have proof? FWIW...I will stand by both?

Hell, maybe I don't know what the heck I am talking about...but thanks more making me think on this one.


I read on Yahoo, that the Gov. is denying the article posted by Preacherman.....What are they hiding?:rolleyes:
 
If'n I was the president of Belarus, I'd welcome him with open arms, slap the cuffs on him, secure him in a nice, safe prison until the Blackhawk comes in with my $25 million. Build a new school or hospital - it's for the children, you understand.
 
Islamic fundamentalists have been a problem for bout 1,500 years.
I'll give Agricola that.

But tis the likes of Saddam, Yassir and others of that ilk that seem to periodically excaberate the problem.

Sam
 
I'd say it's both, Agricola....

"no, these terror attacks are not the work of Saddam loyalists. They are the work of islamic fundamentalists who now do not have to travel far to prove their manhood by shooting at the Great Satan, as will be made even clearer to the West when the Coalition do finally get hold of Saddam and the attacks continue.'
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And the fact that the islamic fundamentalists don't have to travel far to shoot at the G.S. is a good thing for us.:D

Unlike the folks in the Trade Center...these representatives of G.S. shoot back;)....and have very clever ways of linking up 'fighters' with 'providers'.

Saddam's loyalists have nothing to lose in fighting the U.S.....they are yesterday's people and know that the rest of Iraq will certainly realize that when Saddam is brought to bag.:)

And anyone who would credit the "Daily Mirror" as an accurate source would probably believe the BBC analysis on Iraq as well:eek: .
 
In my largely uninformed opinion, one of the great unspoken reasons that we are in Iraq is to give our military the opportunity to engage our fascist Islamic enemies in their own ballpark,
to draw like-minded elements from all over the Muslim world to one battlefield away from US soil so that we can eliminate them in large numbers. There are probably Baathists who won't surrender and local bandits who are looking for money and local control, but I would agree that most of the mayhem being perpetrated in Iraq is by Jihadists bent on fighting the great satan. Baghdad, Tikrit and Najaf are all preferable to Philidelphia, Cleveland, Denver or Fresno for this action to occur. YMMV
 
Recon by fire is a frightening concept to the uninitiated.

Tough on some, though. Prayers for those on the pointy end.
 
They are the work of islamic fundamentalists who now do not have to travel far to prove their manhood by shooting at the Great Satan, as will be made even clearer to the West when the Coalition do finally get hold of Saddam and the attacks continue.
Let them bash their brains out against the US Military for as long as they like. "Come to Iraq all ye butchers and haters of women. Clear skies and plenty of bullets to catch. The Great Satan is here awaiting you, no need for a plane ticket, just hop on your camel and ride!"

- Gabe
 
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