Is the high road being infiltrated?

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The government is already well aware of all of my NFA items and C&R items. Add to that that 4473s are easy to track, and they know about every gun I own, already. :)

No paranoia here, just don't see the point in hiding what I have from the internet!
 
Wow, it must be a living hell to be unable to distinguish between personally identifying information and objects you just happen to own.
I can clearly distingush between the two, but I consider both to be private. One clearly moreso than the other, but both private nonetheless.
 
I'm more wary of the low post count noobs posting anti-NRA stuff. Almost as if members of some other organization/board decided to hit THR this month.
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Thought I was the only one that noticed that. People keep feeding them, though, so they stick around like stray dogs. :banghead:
 
I don't believe the BATFE or FBI spends time searching this or any other site for gun serial numbers to get backdoor registration; they have better things to do.

Me neither, a yes I think they have better things to do.
 
I'll have to agree with pbearperry and alot of others. My radar is a bit active lately too. I find that some threads that get started seem to be strange, and if someone isn't interested in compiling personal info or statistics/habit patterns out of the info, they must be really damn bored with life to need the info otherwise.:what:

I don't give a rat's behind whether or not someone considers me paranoid. I had rather be a least a little bit conservatively paranoid than leave my doors and windows unlocked at night and my social security number written on my checks. Yes, I've actually had someone dumb enough to hand me a check like that. :fire:
 
We know the .gov browses this, and many other forums of interest (that could be anything from Stormfront to NAMBLA).

Since I have to work professionally with members of both those sites, I severely dislike being lumped in with them! Gah!
 
Does the ATF/FBI check this site. possibly every now and then in a long time, for the most part there are probably ATF/FBI members here just wanting to know how to find a part,

Anti's is another story, I recall around Heller there were a few anti's that came on here and tried to start a storm, I would not underestimate them for a minute they caught on to Zumbo quickly, most likely they are reading this post/thread. And post count is not a factor either.
 
As long as posters don't libel anybody or make a real threat, these websites are discrete.
Libel not only leads sometimes to very expensive legal action, but problems for website administrators.
I read about this on sites with totally different topics, run by guys in England ("the Blighty").
 
First off, anything you post on the net is archived, backed up, indexed, mirrored, cached or linked to somewhere. Once it's released out there it pretty much there for good.

For example, as a matter of curiosity I ran a cursory check of an old log on name and found a technology related web posting from 1997 archived on a Danish University wiki and a Singapore hardware manufacturers tech archive.

Second, THR is a moderated, open access, open post web site. It's not some clandestine, secret squirrel, decoder ring access only site, so the very word "infiltrate" is nonsensical.

So remember only to post what you won't worry about 10 years later.

It's just like that dead cool tattoo of your girlfriends name you get at 22, not so cool at 32 and married to Jane not Mary........

Think, then post.
 
I noticed over the last several months the number of "He who has call III stuff"& "Show me whats in your gun safe" have went up. I might have my tin foil hat on a little to tight and I haven't had my coffee yet, but does anyone else find it fishy that most of these threads are started by new members and hardly and of them have a pic to offer up of there stash?

I agree with you, and posted my opinion about showing and telling everyone all about their firearms, where they keep them, how they keep them, how many they have, etc. Some even post pictures of serial numbers of their firearms! :eek: I caught some flak from guys who did it and I suppose I'll catch flak again, but I don't think it wise to show pictures of all your guns and especially not wise to show pictures of serial numbers! I thought it was wrong back then, and I still think it's wrong now. Another thing I find disturbing is when guys talk about all the ammo they have stored, some in the thousands of rounds. Say what you will, but broadcasting like that cannot bring any good.
 
If we're "being infiltrated" by anyone, its by nutty conspiracy theorists. (quote)
Hey now! you know, I wouldn't be paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get me.
 
I'm trying to imagine a scene, where a BATFE agent goes running into his supervisor's office with printouts, pictures, and a list of IPs.

"Sir! I've got it!! They're out there, giving each other advice, arguing about politics before they are abruptly stopped by the administrators, telling each other about laws and rules when they don't always know what they're talking about, and telling each other about the guns they own. Some of them are telling stories about how they bought guns with no paper trail, and how our beurocracy doesn't always work like it's supposed to. Some of the pictures they post are of guns which are commonly stolen and are used in crimes."

"So, agent Smith, what is it you think we should do with this information?"

"I think we need to monitor the site, start sending subpoenas to internet providers, and kicking in some doors."

"Smith, does this site actually encourage crimes to be committed?"

"No sir, but they...."

"Do they tell detailed stories about crimes they have committed?"

"Not really, the mods wouldn't allow it, but they..."

"Do you know for sure that what people post on this site is true? Is there any reason to believe any of it is anything other than hearsay, conjecture, opinion, and digital garble that would be inadmissable under the 'best evidence' rule?"

"Um,....I"

"Smith, throw that crap away, get back to work, and if I ever catch you doing anything on the internet other than protesting news articles that portray BATFE in a negative light, I'll have you inspecting weighing stations at the smallest tobacco plantation in South Carolina until you retire. Now go to the local Walmart and white-out enough hyphens on 4473s to generate $50k in fines for the Christmas party."
 
They monitor for are threats and illegal Class III weapons. They don't care how many guns you own for the average Joe. People stupid enough to make a threat on a public forum are stupid enough to actually try to carry it out.
 
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kind of reminds me of the ads in shotgun news a while back, "legal" drop in auto sears, for a limited time only, and the address for the guy selling them was somewhere around quantico virginia area.

Looks like they have gone from shotgun news to discovering the interwebs.
 
Of course it's being infiltrated.

One of our local gunshops where the owners and employees are the least bright of any local gunshops was infiltrated by our local newspaper.

The newspaper had some young liberal punk who works for them go to the gunshop with an undercover reporter. The punk picked out the biggest and flashiest handgun they had. Some type of stainless polished monstrosity with a 12" barrel and either 44 mag or some larger bear caliber, and the punk is shown on the front page of the paper with a demonic, dangerous, gleeful scowl on his pubesant face while pointing the gun around the store and sighting down the barrel.

I'm sure that the gunstore would not have allowed the newspaper reporter/photographer and their punk poser fake gunbuyer in their store if they'd identified themselves, but they didn't identify themselves, and the gun store manager at that store is stupid and didn't realized that a camera shouldn't be allowed to be freely used to take pictures by unidentified people. i.e. - they infiltrated that dumbass gunstore, took posed pics under false pretenses, and then portrayed gun owners on the front page of newspaper as crazy aholes who must be stopped from owning guns.

So of course they're infiltrating this place too. The liberal media, I mean. So they can make all of us look like dangerous aholes to encourage/pressure politicians to ban our constitutional gun rights. Don't play into their hands by saying, posting, or PMing anything that makes gun owners look bad.

Probably certain l.a.w e.n.f.o.r.c.e.m.e.n.t agencies might be infiltrating this place too.

Duh. Of course it's being infiltrated by the liberal media, A*T*F, S*e*c*r*e*t Service, N*S*A, F*B*I, H*o*m*e*l*a*n*d S*e*c*u*r*i*t*y, and God knows who else. Obviously. Duh. So have some sense about what you post.

Also, anytime you post, PM, or email anything that contains the name or initials of a f*e*d*e*r*a*l agency, especially a l.a.w e.n.f.o.r.c.e.m.e.n.t one, it triggers H*o*m*e*l*a*n*d S*e*c*u*r*i*t*y's automated computer/Internet e.a.v.e.s.d.r.o.p.p.i.n.g to start monitoring your email/PMs/posts and you might even get your phone tapped, and it red flags you for ongoing automated and manual monitoring for weeks to months to a year. Likewise saying any of those key words on the phone, and possibly also keywords related to f.i.r.e.a.r.m.s or other w.e.a.p.o.n.s might also trigger phone t.a.p.s, email i.n.t.e.r.c.e.p.t.i.o.n.s, etc and get you looked at carefully for a long time, even if you did nothing wrong and had no bad intent.

Why did I include the * between letters above? Because it (probably) prevents their automated computer from flagging this post based on those sensitive keywords. Seperating letters by periods might also throw it off. Really, seperating by anything might do it. Could use ! between letters - for example. Though realistically, at this forum, they probably read/skim every post manually because they probably consider y'all a high priority to monitor. I mean both the media and various l.a.w. e.n.f.o.r.c.e.m.e.n.t agencies.

Why do I know this ****? Because I use to date a government agent who wasn't supposed to tell me this stuff, but guess what? He or she did told me. However, that was years ago. So don't any spooks reading this bother to figure out who told me. It's years ago and I don't see her anymore. Stop invading our privacy. I'll bet money that O.b.a.m.a does NOT reverse the unconstitutional B.u.s.h s.p.y.i.n.g on Americans stuff. Instead BO will use it to futher his ends.

So if you mention any words or abbreviations that are likely to trigger their automated monitoring system, you'll then be monitored for weeks to 6 months, even if you've done nothing wrong and have no bad intentions. You can thank P.r.e.s.i.d.e.n.t B.u.s.h J.r. for the invasion of privacy. Can't blame O.b.a.m.a for that. What a pair of jerks those two are. A far right jerk followed by a far left jerk. Why in hell can't this nation election a sane person who is a moderate? Either H.i.l.l.a.r.y or M.c.C.a.i.n would have been far preferable to Bush or Obama, IMO.

Now for all law e.n.f.o.r.c.e.m.e.n.t a.g.e.n.c.i.e.s or s.p.y orgs reading this: it's unconstitutional for you to do w.i.r.e. taps on USA citizens' phones and intercept their emails without probable cause. Though I realize that B.u.s.h has been allowing and encouraging you do do this, and the far left cried foul before, but now they like the idea since it will now be their administration doing it. Hypocrits (far left). However, I also realize it's not unconstitutional for you to read public posts at a forum. That said, I've broken no laws by informing others that you do/are monitoring them and invading their privacy both in legal ways and illegal (unconstitutional ways). Nor have I broken any laws by explaining how the keywords are flagged since all that has been published by the media in several national magazines back when the media and far-left still cared about privacy rights for citizens.

For the record, I hope no harm comes to Obama, because if some stupid ***** shot that POS, we'd all lose more gun rights. We might even lose all our gun rights. So please don't anyone shoot him. I beg you. Violence is wrong. Guns are only for sporting purposes and legitimate self defense. Be a good citizen.​
 
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My first thought when I see those posts is why anyone would even care what I own? I own the ones I like, and so do you guys. And I doubt that our likes are even similiar, so why bother to ask? However, sometimes I think it may just be that they are newbies and can't think of anything else to post.
 
We have a search feature here, and some of the posts go back a few years. So, the site, itself, archives the utterings of it's members.

Don't want to respond to the "show me yours requests"? Then don't. If it IS a troll, or government "infiltrator", wouldn't a thread such as this just point to those who have "something to hide" through their responses?:what:

New people tend to enter subject matter into the Search function. There are enough people here telling them to do just that when they start here. In these searches, they will inevitably run across the "here's my guns", complete with pictures.

In some cases, insurance companies would rather that you locked up certain weapons in bank vaults, or even better security settings. There are strongly worded cautions about careless actions, including disseminating pictures of one's collection, especially when it grows beyond a certain value.

I'd actually LIKE a job as described here. I visit six or eight forums a day, some more technical than others. It usually takes about two hours of the day. I'd be happy to get paid for that.:rolleyes:
 
I am cautious about those type of threads too, and I don't think you are being paranoid.
I heard a Radio show with a caller who claimed that he had applied for a job at the FBI, and had passed all of the security checks. He says he had two people show up at his house, and give him a letter which told him to call a certain phone number, because there was a problem with his application. When he called the number, they told him his application was being denied because he was an avid net stream listener of the "Alex Jones Show." If this is true, they had illegally monitored his internet history, and were able to assign it to him.
This was just an unverified story from a caller, so take it for what it is. But one thing is for sure, legal or not, the technology exists for people in government to monitor your phone calls, internet browsing, and know exactly what you do online and on the phone. Do you trust them to follow the law? I sure don't. The news is full of stories of law breaking by people in government, especially the latest administration. I am aware that they aren't the only ones, but they sure seem to be more brazen about it.
 
Yes I’m new and I’m a little cautious. I just don’t trust our government and haven’t for a long time and the liberal media is just as bad.

I also don’t care for being looked down on because I’m new here. I’ve probably been shooting longer than most of you are old. One of the first organizations I joined was the NRA. I joined this group in hopes of finding a group of mature folks who had a similar outlook of owning and shooting guns. Not bashing folks who are new to the group. I will admit that the recent turn of events has helped me get my head out of the sand.
 
I also don’t care for being looked down on because I’m new here.
I am not sure how long you have used forums, but if you have used them a lot, you'd know that there are various types of posters, who are disruptive, annoying, and generally rude. There are various types of "first post faux pas" such as trying to sell something on your first post, repeated new threads, etc.etc... Anyway, the point I am making is, it's better to try and start off slow, answer some questions if you can (actually contribute to the forum). You don't sound like one of the type of "annoying new posters" to me so I don't think you should take any comments about new posters personally.
 
Certainly not pointing a finger at anyone.....

I'm not at all concerned with the ATF or the CIA.
The folks I'm concerned about are those that have an agenda and are politically motivated to find the kinks in gun enthusiast’s armor.

IE what most divides the Gun group...... and using that against us.


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