Always loved the MP5 in video games, was so excited when HK finally released a civilian version of the gun, and now I'm still seeing prices hovering around 4k. There's no way that's what it even comes close to costing HK to put those things together, but I would have thought that the price would have died down now after everyone scrambled to get their hands on the things. Do they even hold up well to something like CMMG or the dedicated 9mm AKs I think PSA is making or importing? Are prices ever coming down on those or is my dream of owning an MP5 SBR just dead?
Is the SP5 worth it?
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With a little time and patience you should be able to find one for $2800 which is just under MSRP. It’s a lot of money but it is a fantastic addition to anyones arsenal. There’s a good reason the platform is still being used after so many years. Value of course is relative. I was able to get one at industry price so it was a no brainer but nobody is complaining at MSRP. $4K would be too much for me.
C-grunt
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Id have a hard time paying a grand over what the gun is supposed to sell at. That being said the SP5 is awesome.
I have a MKE built MP5 from when they were still being imported by Zenith and were 1900 dollars. It's been a good gun for me and Im likely going to be SBRing it soon. Now that they are being imported by Century and sell for nearly 3000 dollars I dont think they are worth it. At that point just get the actual HK.
I have a MKE built MP5 from when they were still being imported by Zenith and were 1900 dollars. It's been a good gun for me and Im likely going to be SBRing it soon. Now that they are being imported by Century and sell for nearly 3000 dollars I dont think they are worth it. At that point just get the actual HK.
sarduy
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For $4,000 No, they aren’t worth it.
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gotboostvr
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I was really stoked for the PSA MP5 clone, thinking I'd finally get to add one to the safe, until I saw that... thing... they put out.
They made some actual MP5 recievers that I've seen, but they must not have gotten out of the prototype stage I guess.
Shame.
Maybe I'll pick up a PTR-9 clone.
They made some actual MP5 recievers that I've seen, but they must not have gotten out of the prototype stage I guess.
Shame.
Maybe I'll pick up a PTR-9 clone.
Captcurt
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They have come down in price. I have sold 5 on consignment and they went from $3000-$3500. Nice equipment, but too rich for me.
There is a a lot of videos online about them. Basically they are cool because of the 80s, secret service, diehard, ect. They are still soft shooters even compared to most modern 9mm Sub guns. But no they aren't worth the price really. Ergonomics and accessory mounts are dated and not great. No last shot bolt lock back. Stuff like that. As someone who grew up in the 80s they are cool. Lol, I'd buy one in a second just for nostalgia sake and plinking if the price was more reasonable. 3 to 4k is not even close for me.
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They are fun to have, plus 22. lr is still a lot cheaper then 9mm for range fun!
I mean I just don't feel like that's a fair price for one. I don't know what it costs like the military or police to buy one but I can't imagine an individual MP5 costs much more than whatever the military pays for an M4; and I get we aren't getting the same price as a department or military because bulk and stuff but I can't imagine the most popular SMG in the world is also 4-5 times as expensive as a rifle like the M4 which according to google costs the military like $650~ roughly.
I guess a good comparison would be concert/sport tickets. I might balk a bit hearing you want $500 dollars for not great seating, but it gets even worse when I pull up on ticketmaster and see they originally sold for $120. If that's just the ballgame of what an MP5 costs I like them but I don't love them that much. I might wanna watch that game, it might even be a really great pair of teams and the last match of the season, but if I'm gonna get gouged I'll do the walk of shame to a bar and watch there.
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Destructo6
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The MKE-built, Century Arms imported, AP5 runs at about $1600-$1800.
I have one and like it, but it is overpriced for what it is, even if you can find one at the new MSRP. The initial MSRP / street price was a little more reasonable.
It is an improvement over the MKE clones, but the extra cost isn't really worth it. It is, however, far more collectible, so only time will tell if changes to import regulations will send prices soaring even higher or if wider availability will allow prices to settle down.
I think the B&T APC9 is a much better value.
It is an improvement over the MKE clones, but the extra cost isn't really worth it. It is, however, far more collectible, so only time will tell if changes to import regulations will send prices soaring even higher or if wider availability will allow prices to settle down.
I think the B&T APC9 is a much better value.
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Charlie98
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I was just thinking about those the other day... I'd love to have one, too, but that price... even MSRP... is way more than I'm willing to pay. Of course, that can be said for a lot of firearms... a Python, an Automag, a Bren 10... those, too, are on my Unobtanium list, and I'll likely never get one for the same reason.
If you really want to get down to brass tacks... I'd rather have the USC for half the price. Granted, the cool factor is reduced somewhat over the SP5...
If you really want to get down to brass tacks... I'd rather have the USC for half the price. Granted, the cool factor is reduced somewhat over the SP5...
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I guess its worth it if you want an HK and have the money. Without a selector and being able to stock it, I really dont see the point.
Now, if you've got the bucks, and a trigger pack, its probably going to still be a lot cheaper than buying a transferable MP5.
My buddy picked up a couple of the Zenith copies used for about $1500. They seem well made and pretty close. They seem to shoot without issue. Cool guns, but like the official HK, still kind of pointless without the selector and stock.
I think what has made guns like these from HK worth what they get now are the bans of the past, HKs attitude towards us lowly civilians there for a while, which with the bans, severely limited the number of guns available, and now, they arent the hot number they once were, and they just haven't flooded the market like they did early on, likely due to other things grabbing the market, and they are aiming them at a certain market. A lot of people who grew up with things like them back in the 80's and 90's and couldnt afford them then, are a bit older now and making good money or retiring and did well. That gun now, would have cost 10 times less back in the 80's.
The other thing I never understood with the HK's, as far as the ATF goes is, these guns are very easy to convert, and for a long while, the parts needed to do so were readily available, and the ATF never seemed to make any effort to stop them from being sold.
I bought an HK94 back in the mid 80's when they were selling for $450. Just before the machinegun ban, I sent it to Fleming and had it converted. That cost me $350. So for $800, I had a "sorta" MP5. What was different was, it didn't have the "third pin", and I couldn't drop a true MP5 lower or trigger pack in the gun, due to the differences in the recievers. But I could drop my trigger pack and bolt carrier into any HK94, and it was a full auto. My gun was a registered receiver machinegun, not a registered trigger pack. The registered trigger packs became the big thing, and that was something that got Fleming into the trouble he got into over them.
Now, if you've got the bucks, and a trigger pack, its probably going to still be a lot cheaper than buying a transferable MP5.
My buddy picked up a couple of the Zenith copies used for about $1500. They seem well made and pretty close. They seem to shoot without issue. Cool guns, but like the official HK, still kind of pointless without the selector and stock.
I think what has made guns like these from HK worth what they get now are the bans of the past, HKs attitude towards us lowly civilians there for a while, which with the bans, severely limited the number of guns available, and now, they arent the hot number they once were, and they just haven't flooded the market like they did early on, likely due to other things grabbing the market, and they are aiming them at a certain market. A lot of people who grew up with things like them back in the 80's and 90's and couldnt afford them then, are a bit older now and making good money or retiring and did well. That gun now, would have cost 10 times less back in the 80's.
The other thing I never understood with the HK's, as far as the ATF goes is, these guns are very easy to convert, and for a long while, the parts needed to do so were readily available, and the ATF never seemed to make any effort to stop them from being sold.
I bought an HK94 back in the mid 80's when they were selling for $450. Just before the machinegun ban, I sent it to Fleming and had it converted. That cost me $350. So for $800, I had a "sorta" MP5. What was different was, it didn't have the "third pin", and I couldn't drop a true MP5 lower or trigger pack in the gun, due to the differences in the recievers. But I could drop my trigger pack and bolt carrier into any HK94, and it was a full auto. My gun was a registered receiver machinegun, not a registered trigger pack. The registered trigger packs became the big thing, and that was something that got Fleming into the trouble he got into over them.
One thing for sure is your idea of value will change when you shoot any of the MP5 series guns. I am lucky enough to have had a lot of trigger time on all versions and while I am fairly well off financially I would never be able to afford a MP5. The SP5 and SP5 22 give me almost the same pleasure at a price I can afford. Another thing to remember is what happened to the P7. All the guys that passed on 'em because $700 was too high are kicking themselves now.
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I’ve shot the Mp5 and Mp5k regularly since about 1994, for their role they are amazing subguns.
Shooting them in semi is easy; zero recoil, accurate and reliable to say the least. Full auto is a bit tougher with the k version only because of the cramped ergonomics and drum-style squared U rear sights vs. the longer length and adjustable drum peep of the Mp5. When I was primary driver on protection detail caravans I loved strapping the Mp5k across my chest since I could fire if needed with one hand. (Never had to, thank the Lord!)
But for $3,000.00 and up for a semi auto Mp5? Yeesh. I get the H&K panache’ and the Mp5 mystique, but those were the full auto versions that made the bones. Plus, with H&K’s notoriously lousy customer service (Easily 2+ year waits for replacement spring kits?!?!?) and limited ability for easy upgrades, personally I’d pass.
But that’s just one guys opinion, worth no more or less than anyone else’s.
Stay safe.
Shooting them in semi is easy; zero recoil, accurate and reliable to say the least. Full auto is a bit tougher with the k version only because of the cramped ergonomics and drum-style squared U rear sights vs. the longer length and adjustable drum peep of the Mp5. When I was primary driver on protection detail caravans I loved strapping the Mp5k across my chest since I could fire if needed with one hand. (Never had to, thank the Lord!)
But for $3,000.00 and up for a semi auto Mp5? Yeesh. I get the H&K panache’ and the Mp5 mystique, but those were the full auto versions that made the bones. Plus, with H&K’s notoriously lousy customer service (Easily 2+ year waits for replacement spring kits?!?!?) and limited ability for easy upgrades, personally I’d pass.
But that’s just one guys opinion, worth no more or less than anyone else’s.
Stay safe.
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There is always the PTR version to consider. Atlantic Arms has several under the 2K price range.
Just putting that out there.
Just putting that out there.
FL-NC
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They aren't even remotely worth it to me. My MP5 itch was sufficiently scratched "back in the day" when I used the various models in the military. For 1 thing, those type of guns are extremely hungry at the range. As in, any 9mm carbine/smg type contraption. I would sooner get one of the AR type 9mm guns for a lot cheaper.
kBob
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When the Rangers came back from Grenada they asked to get rid of theirs. RAW gunners (m67 RR 90mm) carried them strapped to the RAW tube and some como people carried them. They complained of dirt sensitivity and lack of knock down.
I rather liked them and my favorite was a solid stocked MP5SD I used training with the Frankfurt Special Police group in FRG in ‘81. It had a scope in an HK lever mount that had a BDC set up to the subsonic ammo they used ( seem to recall it was 131 grain bullet or so) It was Very Quiet. A pair of USAF NCOs running a class on .38 Spl revolvers two bays down came up and ask if we were using air rifles for training! The Kraut Kops got a good laugh when I explained.
the Scoped SD was 2 MOA at 100 meters as one had to hit a target that was four 25 mm black pasters made into a square at that range.
on the other hand the least accurate pistol caliber carbine I ever shot was a “real” HK 94 both with and without the barrel shroud/front grip attached. Fired several types of ammo.
This deference concerned me even more when I shot a Flemming conversion (with out the barrel lugs) and it was much more accurate. I decided with no science involved that it was all that 16 inch barrel sticking out beyond the front of the gun and a Florida summer keeping it hot.
whatever.
I had my first experience with an MP5 pulling one from the Dash mount of a Ulm FRG police car in 1975 with no training and walking it into a situation in a bar. With out a shot it worked GREAT!
Now back on topic….. NO…. I think them over priced toys.
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I rather liked them and my favorite was a solid stocked MP5SD I used training with the Frankfurt Special Police group in FRG in ‘81. It had a scope in an HK lever mount that had a BDC set up to the subsonic ammo they used ( seem to recall it was 131 grain bullet or so) It was Very Quiet. A pair of USAF NCOs running a class on .38 Spl revolvers two bays down came up and ask if we were using air rifles for training! The Kraut Kops got a good laugh when I explained.
the Scoped SD was 2 MOA at 100 meters as one had to hit a target that was four 25 mm black pasters made into a square at that range.
on the other hand the least accurate pistol caliber carbine I ever shot was a “real” HK 94 both with and without the barrel shroud/front grip attached. Fired several types of ammo.
This deference concerned me even more when I shot a Flemming conversion (with out the barrel lugs) and it was much more accurate. I decided with no science involved that it was all that 16 inch barrel sticking out beyond the front of the gun and a Florida summer keeping it hot.
whatever.
I had my first experience with an MP5 pulling one from the Dash mount of a Ulm FRG police car in 1975 with no training and walking it into a situation in a bar. With out a shot it worked GREAT!
Now back on topic….. NO…. I think them over priced toys.
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You can expect to pay at least $3,000 for an SP5. They just aren't available. Maybe that will change.
That said, I have both an SP5 and a Sig MPX K. While the SP5 is a great gun, all things considered I like the MPX K better. Small, light, and scary accurate - and $1,000 less than an SP5. If I could only pick one, it would be the MPX K.
That said, I have both an SP5 and a Sig MPX K. While the SP5 is a great gun, all things considered I like the MPX K better. Small, light, and scary accurate - and $1,000 less than an SP5. If I could only pick one, it would be the MPX K.
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I want one if I win the lottery… but I hear that there are better platforms if you actually want performance e.g Sig MPX or CZ Scorpion Evo 3.
But at the end of the day, if you want an MP5, nothing but an MP5 is gonna scratch that itch. Worst case you hunt for a deal for a few months and then if you decide to sell in a few years, break even?
But at the end of the day, if you want an MP5, nothing but an MP5 is gonna scratch that itch. Worst case you hunt for a deal for a few months and then if you decide to sell in a few years, break even?
greyling22
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I'd rather have one of the roller/radial delayed ar's more modern guns. better triggers, ergo's, cheaper, etc.
that said, it is a soft shooting firearm.
that said, it is a soft shooting firearm.
Frankl03
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Not worth it when you can buy a good quality clone as in the MKE Ap5 or the PTR 9CT for half the price of an Sp5. I bought the 9CT. IS it worth it ya. I love banging steel plates with it.
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