http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/266/sesent/00
Like say, 2/3rds the quality at half the price?
Thanks.
Like say, 2/3rds the quality at half the price?
Thanks.
Is there a decent poor man's version of these anywhere?
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KriegHund
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Sweet jesus those are expensive.
Why not just get a pressure tailcap for a regular old surefire light and a clamp system?
Prolly run 70$ total.
If you need links i have some.
Why not just get a pressure tailcap for a regular old surefire light and a clamp system?
Prolly run 70$ total.
If you need links i have some.
GunnySkox
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You could always just get a "normal" (1-300 bucks, I should think) weaponlight that has a pressure switch attachment, a "normal" foregrip (10-50 bucks, I should think), and some tape.
~GnSx
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modifiedbrowning
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There are a couple of airsoft knockoffs that are quite a bit cheaper. One is even claimed to be licensed from Surefire. Look http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=8&menu2=103
fisherman66
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there are a few websites dedicated to making maglites into flamethrowers. It looks pretty fun and much, much cheaper. With a lathe or a machinist buddy you could have a custom mounting bracket made and the light for a couple hundred.
They use the CR123 batteries and upgraded lightbulbs with special heat sinks. It's not hard stuff if you are comfortable with basic electronics.
They use the CR123 batteries and upgraded lightbulbs with special heat sinks. It's not hard stuff if you are comfortable with basic electronics.
Schuey2002
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The only thing that I can think (in terms of a "poor man's" version of a weapon light), would be one of these Vital Gear Flashlight Weapon mounts. You would have to supply a flashlight of your choice since they do not come with one.
http://www.lighthound.com/sales/vital-gear_flashlight_mounts.php
I have no idea how "decent" they are, and I'm in NO way comparing (or even suggesting) that they are of SureFire quality, however..
http://www.lighthound.com/sales/vital-gear_flashlight_mounts.php
I have no idea how "decent" they are, and I'm in NO way comparing (or even suggesting) that they are of SureFire quality, however..
black bear
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The most you get with those Surefire weapon system is a 225 lumens for 20 minutes.
In my opinion not enough light for shooting at a distance.
Why you don't put a Surefire M-4 with the 350 lumens lamp and a Picattiny rail from Bravo Company and a Weaver style ring ( $25 for the rail $14 for two rings) You can get one of the remote cable switch from Surefire to finish the job or use your thumb.
Here is one example that is mounted on a sporting rifle (A Remington 742 30-06)
You can mount the Picattiny rail with the screws provided. in my case I didn't want to drill any holes and mounted it with Velcro and two rubber bands (works like a charm, and is quick removable)
black bear
In my opinion not enough light for shooting at a distance.
Why you don't put a Surefire M-4 with the 350 lumens lamp and a Picattiny rail from Bravo Company and a Weaver style ring ( $25 for the rail $14 for two rings) You can get one of the remote cable switch from Surefire to finish the job or use your thumb.
Here is one example that is mounted on a sporting rifle (A Remington 742 30-06)
You can mount the Picattiny rail with the screws provided. in my case I didn't want to drill any holes and mounted it with Velcro and two rubber bands (works like a charm, and is quick removable)
black bear
AnthonyRSS
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black bear is not vain 
if it works, it works
if it works, it works
Schuey2002
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Someone is braver than me, 'cause I don't know if I would trust velcro and a couple of rubber bands to secure a $300+ flashlight to any one of my rifles..AnthonyRSS said:black bear is not vain
if it works, it works
Bartholomew Roberts
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A cheap and workable solution is just to buy a $28 Surefire G2 Nitrolon and mount it in a $23 Vltor flashlight mount on the 6 o'clock rail. Attach the vertical grip behind the flashlight and use your knuckle to activate the button (or instead of the Vltor buy a $30-50 offset mount and use your thumb).
I just now killed the first G2 I've been using as a weaponlight. By my best estimate it survived 5,600rds. You can also pick up a shock isolated bezel for the G2 for $22.
Now it won't be as nice as an M900 by a longshot; but it will give you about 80% of the capability at a fraction of the price.
I just now killed the first G2 I've been using as a weaponlight. By my best estimate it survived 5,600rds. You can also pick up a shock isolated bezel for the G2 for $22.
Now it won't be as nice as an M900 by a longshot; but it will give you about 80% of the capability at a fraction of the price.
orangeninja
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personally I don't really get the On/Off stuff with regards to weapon lights. Once you illuminate an area follow proper clearance procedures. Flicking your light on and off again causes night blindness...still gives away your position and alerts the BG that you're moving on (if he's in there)....not to mention under stress Light/Fire drills just complicate things.
but that's not your question.
as to the black bears velcro solution....didn't I see that on the cover of guns&ammo last month?
but that's not your question.
as to the black bears velcro solution....didn't I see that on the cover of guns&ammo last month?
black bear
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It is VERY secure, the Velcro Rig, and the advantage is that is quickly detached.
Here is the kind of Velcro I use:
http://www.campmor.com/images/tents/21906.jpg
And here is the set up in my AK with a G-2 (65 lumes) and a Tac Light remote switch
Others set-ups
And here a Surefire 6 P with a Z-32 bezel (shock absorbing) and the Tac Light tail-cap remote switch
And here with the TACM III long throwing light (bigger reflector than Surefire and SMOOTH for longer throw 70-78 yards)
If you are NOT mounting it on a sporting rifle, then is lot of options for mounting to M-16 M-4, AK etc.that are not cheap but affordable.
But if your light have a 2 1/2 inch reflector your options are suddently very limited.
The G-2 or any 60-120 lumens Surefire lamp don't trow as far (40 yards or so) and that is why the option with a bigger Turbo Head lamp is better to engage targets at long distances.
black bear
Here is the kind of Velcro I use:
http://www.campmor.com/images/tents/21906.jpg
And here is the set up in my AK with a G-2 (65 lumes) and a Tac Light remote switch
Others set-ups
And here a Surefire 6 P with a Z-32 bezel (shock absorbing) and the Tac Light tail-cap remote switch
And here with the TACM III long throwing light (bigger reflector than Surefire and SMOOTH for longer throw 70-78 yards)
If you are NOT mounting it on a sporting rifle, then is lot of options for mounting to M-16 M-4, AK etc.that are not cheap but affordable.
But if your light have a 2 1/2 inch reflector your options are suddently very limited.
The G-2 or any 60-120 lumens Surefire lamp don't trow as far (40 yards or so) and that is why the option with a bigger Turbo Head lamp is better to engage targets at long distances.
black bear
Schuey2002
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Do you know of any place online that I can purchase one of these for that price?Bartholomew Roberts said:
Bartholomew Roberts
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Guess the price has gone up... they are quoting $34.95 now.
http://www.vltor.com/vltor-mountables.htm
However, you can substitute a set of 1" Millet low rings ($15-18) and get two mounts. You'll just need to wrap the G2 in something and loctite the rings or the G2 will work loose over time.
http://www.vltor.com/vltor-mountables.htm
However, you can substitute a set of 1" Millet low rings ($15-18) and get two mounts. You'll just need to wrap the G2 in something and loctite the rings or the G2 will work loose over time.
Manedwolf
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As for "going cheap", if you're talking about a shotgun, cheap can sometimes mean cheap plastic.
All I can say is that I'd seen what happened with a blinged-out-on-the-cheap "Look, I pretend to be SWAT!" shotgun at a range...the recoil tossed off the guy's light and cheap heatshield in a scatter of plastic bits.
Kind of the weapons equivalent of having your pants fall down in front of a crowd...
All I can say is that I'd seen what happened with a blinged-out-on-the-cheap "Look, I pretend to be SWAT!" shotgun at a range...the recoil tossed off the guy's light and cheap heatshield in a scatter of plastic bits.
Kind of the weapons equivalent of having your pants fall down in front of a crowd...
black bear
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oh blanky said:
No you don't if the distance involved is 80 yards.
For that distance you need the more intense light of a 350 lumens HOLA lamp and the reach of the turbo head under your rifle. or somebody on your side illuminating the target with something like the MAG 951 lumens flashlight.
These pictures were taken with the target set at 20 meters
You can see how the hot spot of the HOLA lamp in the M-4 is more intense.
The M-3 also have a HOLA lamp.
Beamshot at 20 meters Surefire M-3
Surefire M-4 at 20 meters
Rifles are for shooting at a distance, if you put a light that will not reach 100 yards in a rifle, you are shortchanging yourself.
black bear
Grayrock
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Black Bear- I like the 1st picture under "other set-up's". The light with a clamp that fits right on the barrel. Looks perfect for my purposes. What kind of mount is that? Then I just need a pressure switch. Can you "aim" the light with this set-up?
black bear
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I don't know the name of the mount, it was part of a kit to mount lasers in the barrel.
The light lies alonside the barrel so it is well pointed in the same direction, but it is fixed and don't have a moving part for aiming the light.
It works well with my Surefire G-2.
black bear
The light lies alonside the barrel so it is well pointed in the same direction, but it is fixed and don't have a moving part for aiming the light.
It works well with my Surefire G-2.
black bear
spacemanspiff
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every now and then you can find a retailer who will sell the 'floor demo' model at a better price than the 'suggested retail'. sometimes it even has drool from actual mall ninjas on it!
Cosmoline
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The cheap way I've used in the past is to use a shotgun magazine mount to attach a surefire, but that only works with shotguns. You can get a proper mount for a surefire for under $30 in most cases. I don't see what you gain with these setups that would justify paying over ten times more.
spacemanspiff
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well for starters other mall ninjas you run into at the range make 'ooooohhhh' and 'ahhhhhhhh' sounds at the sight of your uber-tactical-super-duper-pooper-scooper ninja'ed setup. then they scurry away in shame that they dont have all those cool gadgets like a 9v weapon light with nifty blue NAV lights.
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