"It will happen to you if you let it" - Gun Control

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I'm still in the fight, just haven't felt handicapped by acknowledging that the UK and Oz compensated the owners. In fact, it comes in real handy when discussing the issue.

I really think we lose much more than we gain by ignoring what actually happened.
 
"Buyback" was, in fact "compensated confiscation"

For gun-owning Australians, there was no (legal) alternative to surrendering
their possessions (semi-auto rifles & shotguns and pump shotgun) to the
government. After the "buyback" deadline expired, possession was illegal.

John Howard's government was constrained by the Australian Constitution from seizing lawfully-held property without compensation.

The fact that the confiscation was compensated in no way reduces the
tyrannical nature of it.:mad:
 
If the people in charge of enforcing laws would just not enforce unjust laws, then we wouldn't have half these threats to our liberty. We're not just talking guns here folks, threats to our freedom are being legislated all the time and guns are only one issue.

Something being the "law" does not make it "just" or "right." I wonder how many LEO's would turn Blacks away at the polls if a law was passed revoking their right to vote? Hey, it's the law, right? You have to enforce the law, whatever it is. And you're off the hook morally because you were given an order, right? Just an example.

People have incredible power in numbers. Sometimes, people just need to say "No" in mass numbers. They can't come get everyone.
 
If the people in charge of enforcing laws would just not enforce unjust laws, then we wouldn't have half these threats to our liberty. We're not just talking guns here folks, threats to our freedom are being legislated all the time and guns are only one issue.

Seems to me you have hit the nail on the head without even realizing it. The enforcers are not the problem so much as are those creating the laws in the first place. There are far fewer of them then there are enforcers, and they can be dealt with very effectively through the ballot box.
 
I guess the point I am trying to make is that all these stupid laws (again, not just gun laws) come down from a select few. They are enforced by a larger but still small group. They are applied to a very large population that generally agrees that most of these things are a bad idea.

Prohibition - they took the booze away and everyone kept drinking anyway. Eventually, it was repealed. It was a silly law brought forth by a very vocal minority.

I guess it's in everyone's nature to be mindless robots and do everything they are told without any regard to it's justified or not.

The fact is that they could pass a law calling for uncompensated confiscation tomorrow. Most people would turn them in with no trouble. A few holdouts would talk big but would pretend they "didn't get the memo" once the SWAT team showed up at their door. And then they'd talk bigger once the SWAT team left.

So law enforcement and the population, together making up 99.9% of the population, will mindlessly do exactly what the other .1% tell them to do, every time. We're all guilty - not just the "enforcers" of the law. I'm not picking on anyone here - just stating what I believe to be our true nature these days.

This puzzles me. It also bothers me that we're terrified of what our government is going to "do" to us. It's supposed to be the other way around. And on the few occassions when people do organize, protest, and make their collective wills well known, they are surprisingly effective.
 
Part of the problem is manifest in the "general publics" fascination with royalty, even here in the US. Maybe its just me but I "don't get" the whole royalty thing and don't uinderstand how any industrialized country puts up with it, but it seems to me that huge numbrs of people think it is a natural thing for there to be a "ruling class" and seem to wnat to be "ruled" and told what to do for every aspect of their life. Some of the obssesion bleeds over into celebrities and that is why we see some of the total crap being spewed by hollywierd being used to influence national laws.
 
Some of you need to go back and read what the Activism forum is all about.

Pro Tip:

If you're talking about how awesome a "vote from the rooftops" t-shirt is, you most definitely should go back and re-read the floated stickies at the top of the forum.
 
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