Italian Single Action Revolvers

I have the Pietta "Gun Fighter" and Uberti/Taylors "Old Randall, both in .45 Colt. Both are very nice revolvers. For my desert plinking needs, they're all I need and fit the bill.
I'll post a pic tomorrow, too lazy to do it now.
But, to try and answer OP's question, those Italian replicas are as strong as a Vaquero. Or so I've read.
 
I’ve had 2 pietta’s.. both new. 1851 navy and a 1860 army. Both were excellent. They were pre Covid. Very accurate.
 
Pietta and Uberti are both bigger than Taurus as far as single actions go. Uberti has more models and calibers. I favor Uberti but only because they don't cover the barrels with graffiti. I don't like Rugers because they don't work anything like a Colt and they really don't look much like a Colt up close.
 
I have the Pietta "Gun Fighter" and Uberti/Taylors "Old Randall, both in .45 Colt. Both are very nice revolvers. For my desert plinking needs, they're all I need and fit the bill.
I'll post a pic tomorrow, too lazy to do it now.
But, to try and answer OP's question, those Italian replicas are as strong as a Vaquero. Or so I've read.
Uberti is, Pietta isn't.
 
Boy, have been down this road.
Ruger, if it has to be stove bolt unbreakable. The current ones aren't oversized like the first ones.
A real Colt, if you have the money. I never did, but I've tried the rest.
Personal experience with Uberti has been positive; like Bangswitch, I replaced the 3 click with a 4 click (easy peasy) on a Taylor Smokewagon, and its nice tune remained.
For many of us here, SAAs should work as Sam'l Colt designed them, and we are aware of its limitations in carrying with the hammer lowered.
For the OP, we'll be happy to explain the fine points of load one, skip one, load the rest, for safe handling of a real SAA.
Moon
 
Pretty sure it's just a spring change.
There may be some lightened springs, but the action does feel smoother; have handled some other replicas with real graunchy spots.
Moon
ETA-left unmentioned, Chiappa also handles SAAs. Assume they are their own product?
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"Taylor-Tuned" Uberti.
Superbly built & gunsmith internals finished to a cat's meow.
45Dragon said: "Pretty sure it's just a spring change."
I've got two of them (Taylor-tuned Ubertis.) 44-40 and 32-20.
The entire action in both of them is as smooth as water,
and I've rarely felt better triggers.

`Lot more than springs involved
 
"Taylor-Tuned" Uberti.
Superbly built & gunsmith internals finished to a cat's meow.

Pretty sure it's just a spring change

There may be some lightened springs, but the action does feel smoother; have handled some other replicas with real graunchy spots.

For many of us here, SAAs should work as Sam'l Colt designed them, and we are aware of its limitations in carrying with the hammer lowered.
For the OP, we'll be happy to explain the fine points of load one, skip one, load the rest, for safe handling of a real SAA.

I am pretty sure Sam didn't design the SAA, he having passed away in 1862; although it certainly carried over the operating system of revolvers made in his lifetime.

Skeeter Skelton explained how to load one, skip one, and I was frequently educated on the subject at the CAS loading table. The system works fine with a clean gun and perfect ammo, but I saw too many cases of fouled chambers and dodgy reloads causing the cylinder to bind. So I just kept on throwing in cartridges and then rolling the cylinder all the way around to be sure it turned freely, then lining up the empty under the hammer.
 
SAAs should work as Sam'l Colt designed them, and we are aware of its limitations in carrying with the hammer lowered.
For the OP, we'll be happy to explain the fine points of load one, skip one, load the rest, for safe handling of a real SAA.
We are very safety conscious today but I heard from the Youtuber hosting InRangeTV that the Colt SAA was not intended to be loaded with only 5 rounds. They originally told owners to load up all six rounds and trust the half cock safety.
Anyone else hear that? Anyone have a copy of an original owners manual?
 
you can find a shooter for $1500
I can buy two new Uberti's for what a scratched up Colt costs, and they shoot just as well but look better. Truly, I wouldn't mind owning a real Colt SAA, but I'd want one from back in the day if I was collecting them, and even if not safe for shooting, imagine what one of those would cost. There was a guy a few months ago at a local gun show had a matched pair of Colt SAA's, new in their presentation case, and with consecutive SN's. Wanted $4K for the pair. For me, these reproduction Uberti's aren't collectible, but they are nice to look at and shoot, for a lot less than "real' Colts or Remingtons.
This is the type used in my Smoke Wagons.
I believe it's the type bangswitch is referring to also

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Yes, this is the safety I was talking about. The firing pin floats in the hammer; with hammer down the pin won't put pressure on the primer at all. When you pull the hammer back, there is no safety notch, so the "1st click" is gone, and you go to half cock as usual. Once at full cock, the firing pin is still floating until you put pressure on the trigger and you have to keep pressure on the trigger as the hammer falls to force that little rod inside the hammer against the rear of the firing pin and hold it forward so it will strike the primer. It's a fairly elegant solution that doesn't affect the visual appeal of the gun, and I never had any issues with it working well. I have read that some users have had failures to fire and attribute it to the new safety design. I wanted a true 4-click action and Taylor's has the hammer with a safety notch that is a drop-in fit. You can cut the finger off the trigger, but a new trigger without the finger isn't very expensive and you have to remove the trigger anyway to retrofit the new hammer. The odd thing about this new safety is that Uberti still does not recommend carrying the revolver with 6 rounds (one under the hammer). If that's the case, why bother with this new style safety if it isn't truly drop safe? For holster carry, the old style hammer with the safety notch is sufficient, even though a hard strike against the back of the hammer, or dropping the gun on the hammer, could shear that small notch. I guess it happened enough in the Old West that the cowboys started "loading one, skipping one and loading four" to keep an empty chamber under the hammer. Even John Book (John Wayne) talked about it to Gillem Rogers (Ron Howard) in his last film, The Shootist.
berti is that big?
Most of the firearms used in Western films are Uberti or Pietta reproductions. In any one film there are usually at least three guns for each actor for backups in case of mechanical failures or to speed the filming between takes. That alone would keep those companies in business, but then you have SASS and other cowboy shooting groups, and then there's the Civil War reenactors and their percussion guns. Add to that the world-wide sales to guys like you and me.
 
Yes, 19th Century manuals advised to use the 'safety notch," the
first click on a SAA. With time gun owners learned that notch
easily broke or could be missed. The metallurgy back then was
soft and prone to easy wear as well.
 
been looking at getting one for years. IMHO, they are all good and people who have any of them like them. The 3 click vs. 4 click is a question if you want like more of an exact SAA clone, or just a nice good SAA pistol. Just whatever nuances you prefer. I wish there was a chart that outlines what models have what features to make it easier. Maybe there is, but I've never seen it. Even between models of the same brand, there are differences, so - to me, best way is to just pick a model you like, and then compare it to other brands and models to see if you find anything that is superior, if not - place and order and enjoy.
 
Right, I have seen a reprint of an old instruction sheet calling for use of the safety notch.
Elmer Keith wrote of taking it to the extreme the other way; grind off the quarter and half cock notches so there is no possible way for the hammer fall to snag. He said you would soon learn where to hold the hammer to load.

Most of the firearms used in Western films are Uberti or Pietta reproductions.

Now they are. I was amused by the armorer for 'Hell On Wheels' lecturing about his prop guns, including a brass "1860." And you can spot brass strapped SAAs, too.

But once upon a time, there weren't any reproductions, they had to use originals. SAAs were cheap until TV "adult westerns" restored interest. I wish I still had the old article about prop guns, as of the late 1950s. Lots of SAAs, many with Remington style webs added under the barrel. Plenty of double action revolvers with dummy ejector rod housings added for actors who had not mastered the single action. Even a New Service modified to a "plow handle grip" to look right in the holster.

I particularly recall a couple I saw on screen. Rock Hudson portrayed an Army officer in 'Seminole', carrying a cartridge conversion of a cap and ball revolver.
In 'Big Jake', Jake's son went modern with a Bergman automatic, really a dummied up P38.
 
I have one Uberti, the afore mentioned Beretta Stampede. Has the transfer bar safety so no hammer mounted firing pin but it's no big deal to me anyways. I also have three Pieta black powder revolvers: Remington NMN, Remington NMA, and a Colt Model 1860. All three are more recent production and are all very well made and function just fine, The Colt probably has the smoothest action of the three guns.

I also have an older EMF Hartford Model Single Action Army, that was made by Armi San Marco and a Ruger Vaquero.
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Yes, 19th Century manuals advised to use the 'safety notch," the
first click on a SAA. With time gun owners learned that notch
easily broke or could be missed. The metallurgy back then was
soft and prone to easy wear as well.
I figured that was a safety notch

then carrying 6 on a modern SAA show be fine then! just don’t forget the safety notch
 
I had a Cimarron/Pietta in .45 Colt, nice gun but nowhere near the quality of a Blackhawk.

Sold it to finance the Blackhawk.
 
then carrying 6 on a modern SAA show be fine then! just don’t forget the safety notch

Not unless the action has been "modernized" with transfer bar or MAYBE the retractile firing pin gimmick.
Ruger did not go over to a transfer bar action for the fun of it, they got tired of being sued by people who broke, overrode, or missed the "safety notch."
 
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