J-frame Carry Techniques for Quick Deployment

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Hi all,

I carry a S&W 642 as my always gun, strong side pocket in a Desantis Nemesis. I love the J-frame for its ergonomics and concealability, as well as its quick deployment.

In the winter, I'll occasionally throw the 642 in the inside pocket of my leather jacket. However, the other day I saw a video of a defensive trainer (don't recall who it was) running drills with a J-frame fired from the front pocket of his hoodie. I've tried this with my setup, and I always see noticeable sag in the middle of the pocket unless I'm walking around with a fighting grip, which obviously I would not like to do.

I realize if I'm ever in a situation where I need to use my weapon (which is hopefully never, but most of us carry based on possibility, rather than probability), I'll have a very limited frame of time to get it into action. I'm wondering - what do you find is the most accessible carry technique for your J-frame for quick deployment?
 
IWB for me too. Hybrid type holster. Four to five o'clock position, forward cant. Whatever shirt I happen to be wearing, usually a plain old Tshirt, covers it.

In the winter the whole holster fits into the front pocket of my Carhart jacket. Snugly, so it stays behind when drawing. However, I am gonna consider new options as next winter approaches. A problematic situation can arise if I decide to remove my coat.
 
AZAndy and CZ9shooter - what kind of IWB holsters do you use, and are they tuckable?
 
AIWB, in a JM Custom Kydex George, is my new nirvana carry for an SP101. Formerly, it was an Eagle Industries nylon IWB rig, long-discontinued, for AIWB. Depending upon clothing, however, and how many weapons I am carrying, I might use the PMK or VM II by Milt Sparks, or a Kramer Vertical Scabbard, or a Kramer pocket holster, or an Alessi or Null ankle holster. I even have an Andrews Monarch with an SP101 holster body, though shoulder-rig carry is rarely comfortable along the often-tropical Gulf of Mexico.

I bought my oldest SP101, a DAO, about the late Nineties, then added my second, a bobbed-hammer DA (non-DAO) about 2003, and then my third, with a hammer spur, shortly thereafter, all snub-guns. I added a 3-1/8" SP101 a few years later, and installed a spurless DAO hammer. I went through a phase, approximately 2003-2006, when my personal-time carry guns were mostly multiple SP101 snub-guns; as many as three at a time. This was when I was carrying double-column-mag railed duty pistols at work. In late 2006, I added a non-railed P229, with the factory carry-bevel treatment, to match my P229R duty pistol, and finally started carrying an auto concealed again, so the snub-guns became secondary/back-ups again. I may well retire later this year, or in 2018, and may well resume carrying mostly revolvers, which is why I just bought the JMCK George.

Edited to add: I just noticed the tuckable part. None of my above-mentioned holsters are tuckable. In circumstances that have required being tucked-in, I have normally carried in an ankle holster + pocket holster combo, with the pocket gun being an Airweight J-Snub if the pocket was unable to accomodate an SP101. (An SP101 is BIG for a pocket gun!)
 
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IWB holster worn between the belt and pants, a technique known as "inside-the-belt" carry (ITB.) A good compromise between IWB and OWB. The belt smoothes the profile more, but a longer cover garment is still needed.
 
I carry my 642 in a FIST kydex holster which is tuckable. i carry in appendix position which is very comfortable and draws easily from sitting position (like if your seated in a car etc.)

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Appendix carry gives me the most options for a quick presentation. I can carry packages in either hand and even driving I can get to my gun with this method.
I have a number of kydex and leather holsters for small snubbies that give me that carry option.
 
I have more than half a dozen J's, a couple of them being 642-1's.

While I find my steel J's to be more easily treated as belt-holster/carry weapons, I've generally used pocket-holster carry for my Airweights (642's, 37-2 & pair of M&P 340's), meaning either front jeans/slacks pocket or inside jacket pocket. When I do sometimes use a belt holster for one of my Airweights, I can easily forget it's situated on my waist.

As a LE firearms instructor, I've been fortunate to able to practice using the same carry methods on a live-fire range, which I use for normal carry conditions. Periodic practice using a double & triple checked cleared, EMPTY snub, done in the privacy of your home (still minding muzzle control, of course) is considered useful by most trainers, but also being able to do it on a live-fire range, even if restricted to doing it under the watchful eye of an instructor, or a RSO during competition, or during quals for LE shooters, can be handy.

Drawing from belt holster carry (I have an older Blade-tech and leather holsters) is as "easy and quick" as when using that method for any of my other handguns. Drawing from pocket carry is variable, depending on whether you've already reached into the pocket and grasped the snub, or are seated, the tightness of pocket, the type of pocket holster selected, etc. I look at pocket carry as being a way to conveniently carry, but it's not necessarily something found over in the "fast draw" column.

Since awareness and staying ahead of someone else in their OODA Loop is alays preferable, I don't see the inherent issues that may typically have to be addressed in "pocket carry" to be a terrible compromise. Sure, using a OWB belt scabbard or paddle, mounted in a typical location as when larger revolvers and pistols are being used, can offset the difficulty of accessing a gun being pocket holster carried.

Once upon a time, some years ago, I briefly experimented with a "belt clip" device for one of my Airweights. Many years earlier (early 80's) I'd done the same with a similar style belt clip device for my Combat Commander. I stopped using it with my Airweight for much the same reasons I eventually decided the clip draw was unappealing for use with my Commander, meaning it didn't keep the gun sufficiently stationary and firmly positioned. It would tip, cant or shift, depending on body movement during normal and sudden shifts of body position and posture. I didn't like how the trigger wasn't covered, either (even though it was a DAO Centennial style snub).

I've long lost interest in using IWB holsters, for pistols or revolvers, but that's just me ...and too many years of having worn heavy work gun belts having left some easily aggravated 'hot spots' on my hips (glutes & iliac crests).

I don't use the type of IWB carry method nowadays often termed Appendix or AIWB carry, and I have my own reasons for not using it (both personally and as a LE firearms instructor). I know some other LE instructors who use it, but it's not my concern. Different strokes.

I don't use ankle carry, but it's handy for those who may be seated in vehicles, where they can surreptitiously draw their ankles close to their (reaching) hand without much contortion. Having to otherwise bend and/or kneel to gain access is rather situationally dependent, and during any physical struggles it not only puts your dedicated defensive handgun as far from your hand as is physically possible, but it can easily put it within reach of an attacker (especially if you've been forced to the ground, or have had your leg grasped).

I no longer use shoulder holsters, but they remain a convenient way to conceal/carry even snubs, for some folks.

Also, I hope Mas won't mind me posting a link to an older blog article of his, but some folks interested in using the venerable .38 snub for a dedicated CCW, off-duty or retirement weapon might find this booklet interesting. Like Mas, I may not agree with everything written by the author/trainer, but it's a worthwhile investment of time to read and consider for anyone who decides to carry a snub revolver. Like some already experienced motorcycle riders often comment when taking a MSF course, there's always something to learn they may not have previously discovered or learned on their own. ;) http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2014/07/09/how-to-shoot-great-with-a-snub-nose-38/

Just my some thoughts.
 
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With a small revolver such as the J frame I believe that a cross-draw holster at 11 o'clock is optimal for the private citizen if a cover garment is worn.
1. The weapon can be easily accessed with the weak hand if necessary.
2. If a person is driving, seated or standing in a public conveyance, or sitting at a desk or table, the cross-draw offers superior access to the weapon.
3. From any position the cross-draw offers a sure and fast draw. Lifting a garment from the front of the body is much easier than clearing the shirt for a 3 or 4 o'clock position draw.
4. If standing in an interview position the cross-draw offers the fastest possible draw with the least body movements.
5. Finally a cross-draw requires no large body movements of arm or elbow that would telegraph your intentions.

I have never used any kind of IWB holster. So I can't say with certainty how that would work, but if a cover garment is worn, I can't see the need for an IWB. I prefer a holster that rides high and with a neutral or very slight negative cant. Actually my favorite is a belt slide type. Don Hume sells a good one for the J frame for under 30 dollars.

If you are a cop of any sort, a cross-draw is a bad idea. Even if you are well versed in weapon retention techniques, it's still too easy for the bad guy to grab your gun. But this is not normally a concern for the private citizen.

Range officers don't like cross-draw because it is too easy for the inexperienced to sweep fellow shooters with the muzzle as the weapon is drawn.

If you've made too many late night trips to the fridge, the cross-draw is a bad idea. You don't want a fold of tummy hanging over your revolver.

If a heavy outter garment is worn, the J frame goes in a coat pocket.

The appendix carry is not a bad option but I don't think it is as advantageous as cross-draw.

My comments apply only to the J frame. And of course these are just my opinions. YMMV.
 
I carry a S&W Model 638 or Model 649 at the 4:00 position in a DeSantis SOF-TUCK holster.
 
I pocket carry my snug daily but on the clock it takes me nearly 3 seconds to draw and fire a single shot... so at times it feels nearly worthless.

I am searching for a belt option as well. Right now something at the 1 or 2 oclock position seems best. I am using a Bianchi IWB for that but would be open to a dedicated AIWB.

I have a King Tuk as well but it doesn't seem very practical. I can't get to the small grip in a timely manner. If I added a bigger grip I might as well carry a real belt gun.

HB
 
When I carry mine, it's in an IWB holster on my right hip, covered by a Hawaiian shirt. I can get to it pretty quickly.[/Q
U might try this, works good for me. I carry a S&W 640 in a "In Side the Waist Band" holster [De Santis106-02]. BUT the holster is placed in side my pocket. The waist band clip hooks on to my pocket & holds the gun half way out of your pocket. Here in FL most people wear shirts outside. Good way to conceal a 640.This is a quick & easy pull. Left hand, pull your shirt on the right side, at the same time, right hand pulls your gun. Practice & U can pull your gun in 1/2 second. Like I said, It works for me.
 
I only pocket carry my 442, and always in the same pocket. When wearing jackets I've "lost" things like knives and screwdrivers on my own body when I can't remember which pocket I put it in last. I know a j-frame is larger and more noticeable, but I still don't want to risk not knowing exactly where it is in an instant so its always in that same pocket.

If I put on a holster I prefer to have something thinner so I go with a single stack 9mm. I tried carrying my revolver in a couple different IWB holsters but never cared for it, so it's my "quick run to the store" pocket carry gun.
 
My favorite if I know for sure that I'm not going to sit down (such as walking the dog or putting the trash cans out front) is a snubby with no hammer spur in my back pocket with a pocket holster. It is simple, easy, and almost as fast as OWB at 3:00. An untucked t-shirt covers it easily.
 
I use a Desantis Clip Grip most of the time. I've never had a problem with the gun slipping around or falling off. Deployment is super quick and concealment is extremely deep.

While it goes against my general rule of keeping the trigger protected, there's no way the heavy J-Frame trigger is going to get accidentally pulled.
 
My favorite if I know for sure that I'm not going to sit down (such as walking the dog or putting the trash cans out front) is a snubby with no hammer spur in my back pocket with a pocket holster. It is simple, easy, and almost as fast as OWB at 3:00. An untucked t-shirt covers it easily.
I do the same thing, but with my thumb on the hammer.
Another is 10:00 IWB, quick and with either hand, even in the truck with the seat belt on. :)
 
My favorite if I know for sure that I'm not going to sit down (such as walking the dog or putting the trash cans out front) is a snubby with no hammer spur in my back pocket with a pocket holster. It is simple, easy, and almost as fast as OWB at 3:00. An untucked t-shirt covers it easily.
That's Y I like the S&W 640 J Frame, 357 D/A only, Very easy to get to. no matter where it is. WITH NO SPUR.
 
I use a Desantis Clip Grip most of the time. I've never had a problem with the gun slipping around or falling off. Deployment is super quick and concealment is extremely deep.

While it goes against my general rule of keeping the trigger protected, there's no way the heavy J-Frame trigger is going to get accidentally pulled.
U R very right, De Santis is a high quality holster, A Snubby, like a S&W 640 stays put. That was my main method of CC. Now it's a custom made garritysgunleath.com holster [high ride.] with Glock G43.
 
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