wally
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Jihadi ammo quality issues. This is short but brutal, I'd wager one less of them to worry about.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a7_1187501259
--wally.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a7_1187501259
--wally.
Jihadi ammo quality issues
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Roc_Kor
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Quick way to get your 72 virgins, I'd say.
And would this qualify as an AD or an ND?
And would this qualify as an AD or an ND?
average_shooter
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And here I was thinking nothing could be worse than the infamous Glock !KB!
pdowg881
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How the heck did that happen?
OP
OP
wally
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Here's another someone posted in response:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95f_1187534347
If only all their tools could work this good!
--wally.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95f_1187534347
If only all their tools could work this good!
--wally.
Faulty ammo does that. Bad assembly allowing propellant gases to ignite the warhead, faulty safety allowing the round to arm in the tube (dunno if that mortar is so equipped, but self-arming warheads that go live after firing are common), or obstructions in the barrel. Poor QC, poor handling, or a lack of training (or all three, methinks) is an explosive combination
when it comes to artillery.Or maybe he dropped it in upside down.
(Ok, I know, he didn't, but it's a funny thought.)
ConfuseUs
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It could also have been that the shell filling was old and thus unstable. This is the case with a filler like picric acid, which when it ages gets more and more sensitive to just about any disturbance. It isn't like fine wine, which just turns into vinegar.
For some reason there was a pretty good sized container (enough to fill a mortar shell or two) of picric acid (WWI shell filling) in my high school chemistry supply room that had been there for 20 years or so. The bomb squad came in during the spring break to remove it. This was during the mid '90s. I know picric acid was used to treat jaundice as well as blow things up, but I have no idea why there was any of the stuff in a high school to begin with.
For some reason there was a pretty good sized container (enough to fill a mortar shell or two) of picric acid (WWI shell filling) in my high school chemistry supply room that had been there for 20 years or so. The bomb squad came in during the spring break to remove it. This was during the mid '90s. I know picric acid was used to treat jaundice as well as blow things up, but I have no idea why there was any of the stuff in a high school to begin with.
Crazy Uncle Al Gore
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I heard once that the Special Forces in Vietnam would put sabatoged mortor rounds (they were made to explode in the mortor) in with the good VC rounds. It caused similar incidents.
Houston Tom
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That was better than the only man qualified to handle the glock 40
Cannonball888
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The mortar rounds are probably made by Acme who's products have been known to pre-detonate.
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DesertDawg
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"Crazy Uncle" beat me to it! During Viet Nam, the CIA had a bag full of tricks, and one was the "magical mortar round". They were exact copies of the common mortar rounds that the NVA and VC used, except that the propellant was missing and the primer would ignite a mixture of white phosphorous in the tube. The "Willy Pete" would not only cause injuries/death, they would render the mortar tube useless. A secondary benefit was that the NVA and VC might discard an entire batch of mortar rounds, instead of running the chance of a WP detonation.
The CIA also came up with "trick" small arms ammo that would cause "KA-BOOMS" in the NVA and VC rifles. I know that for a fact, since I had to hump a case of it into "Injun country", so that it could be covertly placed.
I wouldn't doubt it if the CIA dusted off some of their "books of tricks"!
The one I really liked was the horse-sized condoms that were sealed in foil and marked "Condoms, size MEDIUM", and were air dropped "accidentally". The "size does matter" Vietnamese, with their tiny tallywhackers, must have wondered, "Oh my! Amelicans are HUGE mans, if these are size MEDIUM!"
Then, there was the exploding rice, and.......!
The CIA also came up with "trick" small arms ammo that would cause "KA-BOOMS" in the NVA and VC rifles. I know that for a fact, since I had to hump a case of it into "Injun country", so that it could be covertly placed.
I wouldn't doubt it if the CIA dusted off some of their "books of tricks"!
The one I really liked was the horse-sized condoms that were sealed in foil and marked "Condoms, size MEDIUM", and were air dropped "accidentally". The "size does matter" Vietnamese, with their tiny tallywhackers, must have wondered, "Oh my! Amelicans are HUGE mans, if these are size MEDIUM!"
Then, there was the exploding rice, and.......!
DougW
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Sorry guys, but I had to laugh! Guess I am a little cold blooded, but I have zero compassion for those ______________ people (insert your own description).
Justin
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What are 72 virgins going to do with a smoldering pile of reddish goo?
That's just wrong. Funny, but wrong...
Staying on topic, how would some black-bagsman get altered mortar rounds into the possession of the Terr's in the first place? Wouldn't you kind of have to be a moron to try to fire ordnance that you don't know where it came from?
Jim Gwyn
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ConfuseUs wrote:
"I know picric acid was used to treat jaundice as well as blow things up, but I have no idea why there was any of the stuff in a high school to begin with."
Picric Acid is still (sometimes) used to stain slides for microscope study. IIRC, before WWI, it used to be used as a fabric dye. Eventually, the problem with that became known. Another property of Picric acid is that it corrodes most metals. Worse, the results of the corrosion are often primary explosives. Lead picrate for instance, is about as lovable and tolerant as mercury fulminate.
There's a reason the US and other professional militaries are very careful about storage conditions for their munitions...
"I know picric acid was used to treat jaundice as well as blow things up, but I have no idea why there was any of the stuff in a high school to begin with."
Picric Acid is still (sometimes) used to stain slides for microscope study. IIRC, before WWI, it used to be used as a fabric dye. Eventually, the problem with that became known. Another property of Picric acid is that it corrodes most metals. Worse, the results of the corrosion are often primary explosives. Lead picrate for instance, is about as lovable and tolerant as mercury fulminate.
There's a reason the US and other professional militaries are very careful about storage conditions for their munitions...
alucard0822
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I bet those insurgents are mad, they should march right back to Iran with reciept in hand and demand their money back.
ihopewewin
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"alucard0822 I bet those insurgents are mad, they should march right back to Iran with reciept in hand and demand their money back. "
Quoted for truth.
Quoted for truth.
Roccobro
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Those videos made my day...
Justin
Justin
Working Man
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Own goal 
It would be a GD.... Good Discharge
Shhhh, thats ok... they're not really virgins.
It would be a GD.... Good Discharge
Shhhh, thats ok... they're not really virgins.
chris in va
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Being the analyzing Virgo that I am...
Look at the video carefully. The explosion is slightly behind the guy, in addition to along the wall. What are the chances an opposing mortar/grenade went off right at the same time?
Look at the video carefully. The explosion is slightly behind the guy, in addition to along the wall. What are the chances an opposing mortar/grenade went off right at the same time?
Diamondback6
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Well, with our guys finding VC ammo caches all the time...ceetee said:
Take it with a grain, but Dick Marcinko claims to have liberated VC supplies, gimmicked 'em, then "returned" them...
SDC
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As said, this is an old trick used by a whole lot of different groups; when South Africa was fighting SWAPO, they liked to "salt" any arms caches they found with booby-trapped ammunition, including golf-ball-sized Dutch VX grenades that they had fitted with 1/2 second fuzes. That way, when a terrorist tried to throw one, it would go off about 6 inches out of his hand.
I imagine a little high explosive replacing some of the powder in small arms ammunition would give one a nasty kaboom, and could be done in the field without much prior planning.
For mortars and RPGs/LAWs etc a very minor modification to the round could connect both the propellant and the payload chambers leading to rapid detonation upon firing. One could alternatively simple replace the propellant with more payload making it both deadly to the user and giving it increased power at the same time.
Monkeying with the enemies supplies and ammo is a very old technique. It is great for decreasing morale because for every sabotaged one used, many of the enemy lose confidence in fielding thier weapons. This decreases accuracy and performance as well by encouraging a "flinch".
If you are involved in a guerrilla war it is probably a good idea to take up reloading and make your own powders from scratch.
For mortars and RPGs/LAWs etc a very minor modification to the round could connect both the propellant and the payload chambers leading to rapid detonation upon firing. One could alternatively simple replace the propellant with more payload making it both deadly to the user and giving it increased power at the same time.
Monkeying with the enemies supplies and ammo is a very old technique. It is great for decreasing morale because for every sabotaged one used, many of the enemy lose confidence in fielding thier weapons. This decreases accuracy and performance as well by encouraging a "flinch".
If you are involved in a guerrilla war it is probably a good idea to take up reloading
and make your own powders from scratch.- Status
